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    I remember the early 2010s as a more vapid time. My fellow college students seemed more interested in partying, becoming rich, and watching reality TV. Reality shows, doctor soaps, and cop shows were the dominant forces on TV.

    Yet during this same time period geek culture loses it's stigma. The success of LOTR and Harry Potter blew the door open. Game of Thrones plants fantasy firmly in the mainstream not to mention the growing success of comic book movies.

    The sci fi genre experiences a resurgence with movies like "Gravity", "Interstellar", "Guardians of the Galaxy", "Arrival", "The Martian", "Big Hero 6", etc. as well as books like "The Expanse".

    Despite there being more space fiction than ever before and games like "Kerbal Space Program" it seems like during the 2010s society lost much interest in space.
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    What happened? Why did society lose it's adventurous side? How did we become so risk averse? Was it the space shuttle disasters? Was it the comforts of modern life? Hey life is good enough so why bother working toward a "Star Trek" like future?

    Why were young people more pressured to conform during this time?

    Why not aspire to be athletic, fun loving, and yet smart like these badass people called "astronauts"?

    Would the world be a better place if astronauts became cooler than reality show stars and professional athletes?
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    To the OP: you were in college at the time. That's gonna color your worldview. I would suspect that many people feel similarly about THEIR college years, whether that was 2010, 2020, 2000, or any other time.
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    In this case i would say the position held in the OP isnt deep, but the mystery of what the end goal here has me fascinated.
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    {Scrubbed} (and taking into account that pretty much every decade has been damned as more trivial than the last), but it can fairly easily be reframed as "what was the driving force in changes in Euro-american society and culture during the 2010s?" and I think there's a fairly straightforward answer to that: it's the crash of 2008.

    The next few years were spent clawing a way out of the hole left by that. People lost jobs, lost their homes: the sort of sci-fi aspiration the OP talks about came to feel not only less achievable but like more of a luxury in general. Companies became more cautious, adopting a safety-first approach. Innovation took second place to security. Even once the direct impact had worn off, it still left its scars and we're still living with them.

    It's by no means the only factor, but I think it's the biggest one.
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    The next few years were spent clawing a way out of the hole left by that. People lost jobs, lost their homes: the sort of sci-fi aspiration the OP talks about came to feel not only less achievable but like more of a luxury in general. Companies became more cautious, adopting a safety-first approach. Innovation took second place to security. Even once the direct impact had worn off, it still left its scars and we're still living with them.
    Example: the type of life espoused by the Simpson family (single earner with a blue collar job, three children and owning their own home) of the aforementioned show, is now beyond the reach of most American families.

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    The space thing went bad with the decision to cancel Apollo.
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    Everything went to heck when people could carry a video camera on their shoulder and a VHS recorder in a satchel.

    Gone were the days of professional production; the average person could now record anything they wanted!
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    Budget constraints. Found this quote from Neil DeGrasse Tyson:

    It’s vastly cheaper to send robots — in most cases, a 50th the cost of sending people. Robots don’t much care how hot or cold space gets; give them the right lubricants, and they’ll operate in a vast range of temperatures. They don’t need elaborate life-support systems either. Robots can spend long periods of time moving around and among the planets, more or less unfazed by ionizing radiation. They do not lose bone mass from prolonged exposure to weightlessness, because, of course, they are boneless. Nor do they have hygiene needs. You don’t even have to feed them. Best of all, once they’ve finished their jobs, they won’t complain if you don’t bring them home.

    So if my only goal in space is to do science, and I’m thinking strictly in terms of the scientific return on my dollar, I can think of no justification for sending a person into space. I’d rather send the 50 robots.

    But there’s a flip side to this argument. Unlike even the most talented modern robots, humans are endowed with the ability to make serendipitous discoveries that arise from a lifetime of experience. Until the day arrives when bioneurophysiological computer engineers can do a human-brain download on a robot, the most we can expect of the robot is to look for what it has already been programmed to find. A robot — which is, after all, a machine for embedding human expectations in hardware and software — cannot fully embrace revolutionary scientific discoveries. And those are the ones you don’t want to miss.

    When the budget shrinks to the point where you can't send one person, you start sending 25 robots, and leave it to the start-ups to ferry Captain Kirk.

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    Judging by the all scrubbed posts I'm gonna suspect this is not the site to discuss such things.

    The neutral response for me is that there is far greater accessibility for the "average person" to express themselves. With so much more media being produced on all levels chances are a lot of it wont appeal to you. It also doesn't represent broader societal trends. Just because a bunch of random folks write and talk about space doesn't the people in positions of actual power care to explore such space travel.

    I, personally, don't think we're more vapid today. I would argue we're pitching too far into sanctifying absolutely everything as a deeply serious problem. Everyone's got an opinion and they feel directly entitled to have that opinion taken as seriously as those of a professional by din of social media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telonius View Post
    Budget constraints. Found this quote from Neil DeGrasse Tyson:

    When the budget shrinks to the point where you can't send one person, you start sending 25 robots, and leave it to the start-ups to ferry Captain Kirk.
    If all you want to do is science, you don't need people at all, even on Earth. It's not about science. Science is important for learning about things, and making things, however there is more to life than learning and making tech.

    Colonising space is about living in space. There was a time when all life on Earth was in the seas. Then some plants colonised the land, then I think insects, then fish. We are decended from the fish. Space is much bigger than the land on Earth was.
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    The early 2010s were defined by an economic depression and budget cuts. It is profoundly unfair to criticize people for not having much hope for the future when the world economy took a bat to the knee over mortgages.
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