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    Welcome to another Upick, a weird twist on regular Mafia in which you pick your own role. How does this work, exactly? Read on!

    (If you were in the previous Upick, tl;dr it works exactly the same as before.)

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    Mafia, AKA Werewolf, is a game in which members of an uninformed majority, known as the Town, who don't know anyone else's alignment but their own, try to find members of an informed minority, called the Mafia, who know who is one of them and who isn't. The game starts at "Day", and players vote for who they think - or are pretending to think - is a member of the Mafia. Whoever gets the most votes is eliminated at the end of the Day. After each Day is one Night, in which people activate abilities that they may have access to, and the Mafia can choose one person between them to eliminate. The game ends when only one faction remains, or nothing can prevent this from happening.
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    • Days and Nights are 48 hours each.
    • The execution vote will kill the person with the most votes, counting the last vote that is not crossed out. For example, Avatarvecna, Xihirli, Avatarvecna is a vote for Xihirli, not AvatarVecna. Tied votes will kill the person who was first to get to at least that many votes the last time they did so. For example, if Xihirli is at 4 votes, then AvatarVecna is at 4 votes, then Xihirli drops to 3 votes and goes back up to 4 votes, AvatarVecna will die, not Xihirli.
    • You may vote for No Execution. No Execution is calculated the same way as any vote for a specific person, but choosing not to vote is not counted at all. For example, four votes for No Execution and four votes for AvatarVecna is resolved like any other tie, but if there are four votes for AvatarVecna and four people not voting at all, AvatarVecna will die.
    • No early day end or "Hammer" vote is used, even if more than half of people end up voting for the same person at some point. Days are always 48 hours.
    • Some abilities may require a public broadcast that you are using them. I will resolve them as soon as possible; if you have an ability that won't be useful at the end of the day, using it near the end of the day might be inadvisable! Do not fake using abilities requiring a public broadcast (Such as REVEAL: INNOCENT CHILD or DAYVIG: XIHIRLI). This means you, Vecna and Valmark. Anyone doing so will die, and also lose the game even if their faction would otherwise win the game.
    • Kill flavours may tell you something interesting about how someone died, and what faction did it.
    • All actions are given a priority number. First goes first, last goes last. Generally, this tends to follow Natural Action Resolution, which is to say, abilities that can't possibly be affected by another ability go first.
    • Either you'll get a faction QuickTopic because you're the Mafia, or you won't, because you're not, and will have to use your personal QuickTopic. You can't get more QuickTopics unless you have an ability that says you can, so no chatting with your fellow players behind the scenes.
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    Upicks are so named because you pick your role!

    When the game is in the preparation stage - that is, after everyone has signed up to the game, just before Day 1, you will have a chance to send me two character concepts. These character concepts can be whatever you like so long as it's board-appropriate and otherwise just obviously not yikesy in any other way (be reasonable about this); the first concept should be your first preference, and please link an explanation for both concepts if they're something I might not know about. Other Upicks I've seen have featured anime characters, tanks, and the concept of YouTube Music videos as characters so do whatever you like.

    Please don't use other real people - board members or otherwise - as characters, partly because yikes and partly because I don't want to have to write the sentence "AvatarVecna's role was Xihirli".

    I will roll up the list of who is which faction before I create your character roles, so if you use a character who's actually a mafia member or actually a werewolf, you may still end up as town. I will then assign abilities that I think are appropriate to one of your chosen characters. I will try to use the first one, but if there's some problem with them I'll use the second one instead. They will match as best as I can make them while also (a) making sense within the context of Mafia, (b) not being very terribly overpowered, and (c) not being horrible to play with.

    Abilities I promise I won't be using are:

    • Cults and other alignment changing abilities;
    • Dreaming gods, false seers, inventors who don't know what their inventions do, and other hidden/random chance abilities;
    • Jesters (a role which wins the game by being executed);
    • Antisocial, Flagbearer and other modifiers which mess with who wins and loses the game to a significant extent;
    • Effects such as death millers which lie about death-reveal information;
    • "Janitor", "Cannibal" and other effects which can prevent deaths from being revealed.
    • Effects such as Beloved Princess which mess with the day/night order;
    • Effects that restrict how a player can post other than by killing them;
    • "Enabler" or "Switch" effects that can shut off a specified type of role (rather than roleblocking a specific player);
    • "Bus Driver", "Transporter", "Transmuter", "Mind-controller" "Mindslaver", "Witch", "Lightning Rod", "Mirror" or other names for a variety of effects which force someone to target someone other than their intended target;
    • "Normalizers" or other effects which permanently alter other people's roles (short of killing them);
    • "Phantom Queen", "Reviver", "Resurrectionist", "Retributionist" or other effects which change how death works for players other than yourself.


    However, this does not mean that any of these won't show up:
    • "Doublevoter", "Loved", "Hated" and other modifiers that can change the number of votes flying around or the number needed to kill someone;
    • "Gladiator" or other effects which limit who is a valid target for a vote;
    • "Godfather", "Framer", "Lawyer", "Psychotrooper" or other effects which cause someone else's investigation to provide misleading information;
    • "Lover" and other roles that can cause a player to die when a condition is met;
    • Roles which return the truth or falsehood of an arbitrary statement;
    • "Copier" or "Illusionist" abilities which copy someone else's ability and use it on another specified target;
    • "Parity cop" or "Parity seer" roles, which provide the same result for two members of the same faction, but no indication of which faction yields which result (so it might yield "Winter" for town and "Summer" for Mafia);
    • "Restless Spirit" or "Vengeful" roles which change how death works for you;
    • "Medium" or "Necromancer" roles which can talk in dead chat while alive.


    Recruitment is open!

    Players so far:

    1. AvatarVecna
    2. Captain Cap
    3. Snowblaze
    4. Batcathat
    5. SupaGoof
    6. CaoimhinTheCape
    7. Taffimai
    8. gac3
    9. Book Wombat
    10. Fext
    11. Moonfly7
    12. Xihirli
    13. BladeScape
    14. Elenna
    15. Metastachydium
    16. Rogan


    Backup players:

    1. EmmyNecromancer
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    Here's hoping I don't roll serial killer again.

    Or maybe hoping I do, since powers like I had last time are about the only way I'll get to live.


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    What a great way of starting the academic year. I'm in, obviously.

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    In, naturally. Now to try and pick only two roles... will be hard.
    I have returned.

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    Werewolf games lost: 6
    Games as town: 8
    Games as neutral: 2
    Games as wolf: 4
    Games narrated: 1
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    This sounds fun, even if I'm not quite sure I understand the specifics of the Upick concept. Good thing I'll have plenty of time to reread the rules and take a look at the earlier game. I'm in.

    EDIT: Oh, and if I might nitpick, I think the Town description should say "uninformed majority", right?
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    I like punishment, so I will be in.

    Now, what zany idea can I come up with.
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    It wasn't that easy. Supagoof's just that good.
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    This is LLD, which, I shouldn't have to tell you, will not bow to your math because it was DESIGNED to ruin it!
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    Supagoof has won the game and withdrawn. He was Epic

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    I'm busy with school, but I want to play, so
    I want to be a backup.
    Even though I am a necromancer, I am not a member of the Coven. In fact, my entire coven disbanded, so my alignment changed to Chaotic Good.

    Looking for a game of Werewolf/Mafia? AvatarVecna's Afterlife 2 is currently recruiting.
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    Default Re: [WW/Mafia] Upick 2: Pick Harder

    In.


    Characters from the last game were:
    AvatarVecna - Eidolon
    Captain Cap - Baron Munchausen
    Xihirli - Dead Poet Society Member
    Elenna - Nico De Angelo
    CaomhinTheCape - You Meddling Kids
    JeenLeen - Light Yagami
    Aleph Null - Vael'sekhariish
    totadileplayz - Ben Tennyson
    Book Wombat - Anonymous Reporter
    Apogee1 - Big Brother


    As it says in the first post, you send in two concepts and that's who you are for the game. It can be, like, anything so be creative (unless there is another power in the game that lets people see all of the role names and then that person lists all of the role names and people get suspicious of ones that aren't a singular character so they question you and your Day 1 lynch gets pushed by everyone including the serial killer who I planned to block that Night because they were acting off).

    (I'm not bitter.)


    That said, I already have my two options and it should be fun.
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    I want in too, please
    78% of DM's started their first campaign in a tavern. If you're one of the 22% that didn't, copy and paste this into your signature.
    The cleric was walking through a forest when he heard a loud explosion. Upon investigation, he quickly uncovered the ruins of a large tower he couldn't remember seeing there before. He decided to search the rubble for anything worth looting. At that point, I told the wizard to start rolling to see if he would stabilise.
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    No idea what I might pitch but I want in.

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    https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?628477-UPick

    The previous game if people (like me) want to see what it was all about.

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    Fun fun fun! In too. I wonder if this will be my first game as Mafia since it will be my thirteenth game.
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    I'll give it a go, why not

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    Count me in! Be prepared for Zany insanity.

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    Let's goooooooo

    This is probably going to be my last werewolf game before the one I run. Need a break, you know?
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    Supagoof took the most blows and incidentally took exactly the same damage Xihirli inflicted.
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    Xihirli: Being a better target since 2015.
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    Xihirli, bastion of murder and betrayal.
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    Wow I missed a lot today. So, kill Xihirli?
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    Nobody else is gonna be right behind me, right now. Only Xihirli.
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    If Xi and I agree some more, I will start to doubt my own alignment!
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    I still prefer to see you as the dagger hanging over us all, Xi.

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    /in

    I have ideas.
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    Assuming this is going to have the usual 2-week recruitment period (and will therefore start after October 8th, since I'm going to be busy until then), I'm in.
    I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!

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    No more interest? Sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Book Wombat View Post
    No more interest? Sad.
    True. Hopefully we get more but 14 isn't terrible.

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    Unavenger: some feedback from last game of what I felt. It might well be biased from the Mafia getting such a bad twist D2 onward. (So wish we went with our first choice and killed totaldileplayz instead of trying for AV )

    Last game, it seemed like some of the Roles weren't balanced well.
    I definitely get the neutral Serial Killer being overpowered (compared to normal Roles) to compensate for what it is, and Mafia sometimes having stronger/different powers than townies. But even amongst the Town, we had some really cool and versatile/strong powers (like totaldileplayz') and some more mundane ones (like a normal voider or baner, or fairly normal--thinking of Cao's and Book Wombat's Roles, I think)
    Also, while by the rules being an evil character had no correlation with if you were Town or Mafia, all three of us mafia were baddies.

    I'm still contemplating joining or not. My posting availability isn't great likely, and I don't want to join if I'll be inactive. That said, hoping I can get things together, as this was fun.

    Quote Originally Posted by OP: roles maybe in game
    "Medium" or "Necromancer" roles which can talk in dead chat while alive.
    If a living player can see and/or chat in the deadchat, will those in the deadchat know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeenLeen View Post
    Unavenger: some feedback from last game of what I felt. It might well be biased from the Mafia getting such a bad twist D2 onward. (So wish we went with our first choice and killed totaldileplayz instead of trying for AV )

    Last game, it seemed like some of the Roles weren't balanced well.
    I definitely get the neutral Serial Killer being overpowered (compared to normal Roles) to compensate for what it is, and Mafia sometimes having stronger/different powers than townies. But even amongst the Town, we had some really cool and versatile/strong powers (like totaldileplayz') and some more mundane ones (like a normal voider or baner, or fairly normal--thinking of Cao's and Book Wombat's Roles, I think)
    Also, while by the rules being an evil character had no correlation with if you were Town or Mafia, all three of us mafia were baddies.

    I'm still contemplating joining or not. My posting availability isn't great likely, and I don't want to join if I'll be inactive. That said, hoping I can get things together, as this was fun.



    If a living player can see and/or chat in the deadchat, will those in the deadchat know?
    I'm still annoyed that I forgot about Xi having one more unknown power and tried to disintegrate Xi instead of BW.

    @AV, you've probably forgotten all about this by now, but in case you still remember: if I'd successfully disintegrated BW instead of Xi at the end of the last game, would you actually have helped me lynch Xi?

    (Also, it's not true that all the mafia were baddies last game, Nico's a protagonist.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elenna View Post
    I'm still annoyed that I forgot about Xi having one more unknown power and tried to disintegrate Xi instead of BW.

    @AV, you've probably forgotten all about this by now, but in case you still remember: if I'd successfully disintegrated BW instead of Xi at the end of the last game, would you actually have helped me lynch Xi?

    (Also, it's not true that all the mafia were baddies last game, Nico's a protagonist.)
    Probably not. I was quite unsure what was going on with your powers that game, and I wasn't going to risk my life on the assumption that the clear-sole-remaining-wolf with a kill power that could pierce my kill protection was only able to do that once. That you could use the powers of the dead made you hard to predict. Xihirli's power appeared to be almost purely communicative at the time, from what I recall. Then she survived a kill, and got a vig-kill in the night (so it wouldn't have mattered that much if she shot me anyway).


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    Quote Originally Posted by JeenLeen View Post
    If a living player can see and/or chat in the deadchat, will those in the deadchat know?
    Yes. If the deadchat aren't able to affect the game, it seems kinda bastard-narrator-y to have them believe that they might be able to, and if they are, it definitely seems bastard-narrator-y to have them believe that they can't.

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    This is probably a bad idea, but I kind of like the concept of this, so

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    Concept submissions on Tuesday?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Book Wombat View Post
    Concept submissions on Tuesday?
    Thereabouts, yeah. I'll probably open them on Monday evening my time (early Tuesday morning in some TZs) - two weeks after I opened recruitment - and close them two days later.

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    Cool, though I won't be able to post much for the first two days due to a trip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unavenger View Post
    Thereabouts, yeah. I'll probably open them on Monday evening my time (early Tuesday morning in some TZs) - two weeks after I opened recruitment - and close them two days later.
    Well... it's monday evening my time. Is there still a place for one additional Player?
    I might not be as active as usual for health reasons, but I should manage.
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    All the discussion of how weird the half-hour start is seems weirdly prescient, in retrospect.
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    Can I use my prediction of the half an hour being used to set up Factional chats as proof I am the Seer?
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    only IRL, not as in game proof, as we all know that recruitment threads don't count for making IG decisions


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogan View Post
    Well... it's monday evening my time. Is there still a place for one additional Player?
    I might not be as active as usual for health reasons, but I should manage.
    Yep, that's fine.

    Right, I'll get messages sent out to everyone in just a moment explaining what to do. Sorry they're gonna be later than I previously said they would be.

    EDIT: Anyone who hasn't signed up yet, if you would like to join:

    Please pick TWO characters and send them to me in the next 48 hours. Once that's done, I'll try to get the game started at 6pm GMT the next day, about 21 hours after that.
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    Default Re: [WW/Mafia] Upick 2: Pick Harder

    Just adding a post so others who may have subscribed to thread might see it (edits don't always show up as an update, I've noticed.)
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