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Thread: Why no Cloister now?
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2021-10-01, 08:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-01, 08:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why no Cloister now?
Roy's ghost going to Azure City happened one of two possible ways: either it was like physical movement, in which case we know Cloister does nothing or it was like teleportation, in which case, the epic magic in the clouds could have helped.
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2021-10-01, 10:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why no Cloister now?
I absolutely forgot it's explicitly epic stuff, so thanks for pointing that out!
That said, I don't think it's physical movement or teleportation (since Azure City and the clouds are on different planes), and if the Outer Planes amplify magic to such an extent that they enable epic planar travelling, the point that the IFCC should have no trouble breaching a cloistered area if they get to use the resources at their disposal still stands.
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2021-10-01, 11:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-02, 03:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why no Cloister now?
Even aspects of archfiends tend to be in the CR 20s(the demon lords in FCII are the real deal, but I agree with the Savage Tide adventure path in that they should be considered aspects as well), and they typically have enough power, resources, and favors to cash in that the most common use of them in a game is “plot device”.
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2021-10-02, 04:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-02, 06:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why no Cloister now?
I got it! I got the joke!
My pet theory is the Dwemer accidentally found out they were in a computer game and got erased by the developers to avoid meta-humour. Hermaeus-Mora is the manifestation of the coders in the universe which is why his realm is full of poorly kept illegible books.
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2021-10-02, 07:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-02, 08:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-02, 04:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-03, 01:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-03, 04:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-03, 06:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why no Cloister now?
He definitely was never seen again after the Red Year, and his city got wrecked, but for the few years between the end of Morrowind and the Red Year (5-6 years later), he was Schrödinger's False God.
It'll be interesting if they ever make TES6 to see how the civil war subplot in Skyrim panned out. And the Dark Brotherhood's. Every other faction is pretty inconsequential from a worldwide view.
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2021-10-03, 10:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why no Cloister now?
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2021-10-04, 07:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why no Cloister now?
For what it's worth, my 5e D&D party fought and killed an archfiend earlier this year. We were level 20, but still. It's quite doable, at least in 5th edition.
We also had a Very Special Episode where we all played a bunch of liches with staves that let us cast meteor swarm, weird, true polymorph or (in my case) wish and defeated all the archfiends (the CE ones, anyway). That was a bit silly, though, and probably shouldn't count.Number of Character Appearances VII - To Absent Friends
Currently playing a level 20 aasimar necromancer named Zebulun Salathiel and a level 9 goliath diviner named Lo-Kag.
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2021-10-04, 09:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why no Cloister now?
Eh, so far as I can tell, 5e has nerfed a whole lot of supposedly powerful things into oblivion. 3e Tiamat has standard 3e divine stuff plus a ridiculous amount of powerful SLAs plus 20th level cleric and sorcerer casting in addition to an SR above 40, an AC above 60 and a metric ton of natural attacks. Meanwhile, if I remember correctly, 5e Tiamat is… Kind of big and has some breath weapons? I've seen people argue that a lucky level 14 party can beat her in a straight fight.
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2021-10-04, 09:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why no Cloister now?
You sure that’s actually Tiamat herself? And not an aspect or avatar or something? Those tend to be much weaker than the true being.
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2021-10-04, 10:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why no Cloister now?
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2021-10-04, 10:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-04, 10:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why no Cloister now?
Yeah I get that, but WotC's deity stats are pretty much always underwhelming and end up undermining the deity in question and/or making them look like they don't know what they're doing. (Well, even moreso.)
Statting avatars and aspects I'm 100% down with, and then beating the avatar/aspect causes {magic plot thing} to happen that makes it possible to remove the deity from power or seal it away etc. An avatar can be as beatable as the plot needs it to be. But statting the actual deity almost always just leads to the question of how they were in charge as long as they were with such unoptimized builds.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2021-10-09, 02:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why no Cloister now?
For what it’s worth, a lot of non-divine beings tend to be both just as unoptimized and also have considerably worse stats, so there’s that.
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