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2021-10-19, 01:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1245 - The Discussion Thread
Wasn't there a passing comment in OotS about some one (Haley?) cleaning black mould out of some showers, and it dropping some minor treasure?
EDIT: Ah, found it.Last edited by bunsen_h; 2021-10-19 at 01:58 PM.
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2021-10-19, 02:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Both the monsters and the items are obvious produced by spontaneous generation of the epic level dungeon environment.
The thing is the Azurites don't use a single color; they use a single hue. The use light blue, dark blue, black, white, glossy blue, off-white with a bluish tint. They sky's the limit, as long as it's blue.
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2021-10-19, 02:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-19, 03:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don’t think the monsters Xykon is fighting are guarding anything.
Serini didn’t put them there. She’s not training them or giving them treasure.
They’re just the random monsters that show up in every empty dungeon.
There’s a good chance that the monsters don’t DO anything; they’re not technically part of the gate defense. They’re a diversion so that people don’t spend any time looking for the teleport traps and other hidden dungeon features that would lead to the real gate.
As long as Xykon keeps fighting monsters, he’s not getting any closer to the gate.Last edited by Dion; 2021-10-19 at 03:41 PM.
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2021-10-19, 03:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1245 - The Discussion Thread
The implication here
https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0277.html
is that, at least initially, Serini "filled the dungeon" (by lowering monsters into it, in cages) rather than just constructing the dungeon and "waiting for monsters to show up".Last edited by hamishspence; 2021-10-19 at 03:43 PM.
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2021-10-19, 09:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1245 - The Discussion Thread
I'm reminded of the Futurama global warming PSA, where they believe the problem is solved forever just by getting a bigger ice cube every time. All they need are stronger and stronger monsters!
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2021-10-19, 10:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-20, 01:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-20, 02:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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There are two serious problem with linking these entrances to existing dungeons. We know the portal is two-sided, but what orientation do you put it?
In one direction, you've made a route connecting a door at Monster's Hollow to the entrance of some random dungeon elsewhere. So the jig is up when invaders "finish" their dungeon crawl by finding the other entrance. And you've created a route for adventurers exploring the other dungeon to discover Monster's Hollow.
In the other direction, while invaders at Monster's Hollow will be routed to a dead end in the other dungeon... you've linked the entrance to the other dungeon to Kraagor's Tomb, the place you're trying to hide.
The shell game makes the most sense if it's connected to completely subterranean dungeons that wouldn't otherwise have exits.Last edited by Hurkyl; 2021-10-20 at 02:19 AM.
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2021-10-20, 02:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don’t believe that Xykon has made even the smallest step in breaking down the defense.
The first line of defense is “figure out that the monsters have nothing at all to do with the defense”.
Xykon hasn’t even come close.
Except… maybe he has. Maybe he understands that he doesn’t have to fight a single monster to get to the gate, and he’s just having a good time.Last edited by Dion; 2021-10-20 at 02:26 PM.
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I was trying to remember if we had talked about this recently, but it was another friend who told me how good the Futurama commentaries are. So we watched some of them a few months ago. Unfortunately, since then I've lost our DVD remote, and then I lost the replacement I ordered about three days after it arrived.
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2021-10-20, 11:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Belkar's feeling like his old self. Good.
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2021-10-21, 01:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-21, 02:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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This.
Yeah they'll probably have to start over (and not let MitD near the paint again, assuming they think he just did it out of affable bumbling/incompetence rather than deliberate sabotage), but the fact still remains that there are finite doors. It's a delaying tactic, like the traps, nothing more.
Worse - the stronger Team Evil get, the more doors they can clear in a day.
Worse still - the monsters apparently take a while to respawn. Given that Oona is worried that they might "overfish" the Hollow, there is likely a rate of doors/night that will eventually exceed what the dungeons can generate.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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Re: OOTS #1245 - The Discussion Thread
And last I checked "delaying the inevitable" wasn't the same as "removing the root problem".
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2021-10-21, 02:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1245 - The Discussion Thread
Agree.
But it's also worth noting that "delaying until the problem solves itself" really is a solution if you can actually delay that long.
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Oona's objection to Xykon/Redcloak and a silver piece will get her a hunk of cheese
How exactly would the problem "solve itself?" Both of TE's principals are immortal.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2021-10-21, 11:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1245 - The Discussion Thread
She was vital backup Redcloak needed to defeat team Dwarf. He had to ask for her help. So that suggests that she's quite strong. Probably not strong enough to deal with Xykon, but strong enough that he'd probably consider it not worth the effort to fight her over it.
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2021-10-21, 11:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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I dunno, considering the surprise hit Minrah got in at first and the fact that he was getting hit in the face with a literal artifact, plus action economy being a thing, I dunno how much of that was Oona. I certainly don't think she's weak, but I haven't seen many impressive displays of martial prowess on her part just yet.
Granted, we've had like one comic with her actually fighting so that's probably the biggest factor.Cool elan Illithid Slayer by linkele.
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Tsukiko was strong too, and Xykon had no qualms about her getting iced once he perceived her as getting in the way of the larger objective. Redcloak absolutely wouldn't, he's on a literal (un)holy crusade. No way would they stop trying to find the gate just because Oona "put her foot down."
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I'm pretty sure Redcloak could literally use Planar Ally to summon outsiders comparable to her in power, though even ignoring the caster OPness in basically every edition of D&D ever that's also because Redcloak is almost Epic himself, but she's perfectly willing to work with him and she doesn't have any of the problems that summoning outsiders has.
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2021-10-21, 12:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1245 - The Discussion Thread
Oona can keep up with Team Evil fighting monsters that give Xykon XP, in fact she's still good too go when Redcloak's tapped out. With her tribe behind her back, she probably can't beat Lord Killerbone and the Pirate Goblin, but she can probably provide an opportunity for somebody else to do so.
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2021-10-21, 12:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not denying she's high level, I'm denying that her putting her foot down would be more than a speed bump to them unless she got backup soon afterward.
And my larger point is that if they ever got to the point that most of the dungeons were in replenish status without finding the Gate, chances are they'd start to consider whether chicanery is afoot.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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I think you and I understand "putting her foot down" differently.
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