Upick 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Book Wombat]

No. We have two roles that mention a serial killer.

More than that. AvatarVecna, Captain Cap, and fext. At least three.

[Fext]

AV and (more recently) Fext are both claiming town.

and what do you think about both of our alignments?

[Book Wombat]

anyways I still believe AV is town at the moment although I haven't read much of today

if anybody wants to grab quotes or make cliffs notes over how his "I was attacked twice" apparently became just once that would be appreciated

AvatarVecna misread Xihirli's power and assumed that "getting set on fire" was her Kill power even though it was the fluff of her Roleblock power. The other one, "shot with a pistol", is the only Kill that targeted them.

[Fext]

More than that. AvatarVecna, Captain Cap, and fext. At least three.

actually yeah that like really lends credence to all three of us as not making stuff up doesn't it

Cap hinted first

then I claimed to have a direct mention of it

then AV claimed the same like instantaneously after

then Cap clarified

so we're probably just all telling the truth lol

[Metastachydium]

anyways I still believe AV is town at the moment although I haven't read much of today

if anybody wants to grab quotes or make cliffs notes over how his "I was attacked twice" apparently became just once that would be appreciated

They received a note that they have been set on fire which they interpreted as a(n unsuccesful) kill. However, Xihirl's role reveal rolerevealed that getting set on fire is simply a roleblock. I can dig up the posts if necessary.

[Fext]

AvatarVecna misread Xihirli's power and assumed that "getting set on fire" was her Kill power even though it was the fluff of her Roleblock power. The other one, "shot with a pistol", is the only Kill that targeted them.

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

that's why Rogan asked me lmao

[Rogan]

Though that was because the roles could be assigned to either faction and JeenLeen had to hunt the holders of one specific role. Both could have been Town or Mafia.

That's probably right, but it was the balanced option.

I start to suspect that AVs QT starts something like that:
"AV, you are The Serial Killer, a MURDERER and a member of the TOWN."

[Metastachydium]

and what do you think about both of our alignments?

I don't trust either of you. Right now, I think you might be the killer.
As for AV, I've been trying to have them checked for some time, but to little avail.

[Fext]

wait if they were roleblocked how do they have info

passives aren't roleblockable or something?

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I don't trust either of you. Right now, I think you might be the killer.
As for AV, I've been trying to have them checked for some time, but to little avail.

so

if I'm reading this right

you're actively trying to throw shade and cast doubt on every single person whose role mentions the Serial Killer

[Metastachydium]

so

if I'm reading this right

you're actively trying to throw shade and cast doubt on every single person whose role mentions the Serial Killer

I'd sooner say I'm suspicious of all three of you. Of AV for being AV, of you for being a liar and of the Captain for his weird behaviour last day.

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I can see what you're driving at, by the way.

[Book Wombat]

wait if they were roleblocked how do they have info

passives aren't roleblockable or something?

Roleblocks prevent active powers that have a priority under Roleblock from affecting their target as far as I know so passives shouldn't be affected.

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*munches on some more popcorn*

[Rogan]

I'd sooner say I'm suspicious of all three of you. Of AV for being AV, of you for being a liar and of the Captain for his weird behaviour last day.

I doubt the captain is the killer. He needs to survive till the end to win this game.
The plan he suggests would get him killed beforehand. The only way would be, he actually can survive a tie a mafia member and wants to gain town cred.

[Fext]

I can see what you're driving at, by the way.

then may I recommend reconsidering your obviously flawed worldview

[Taffimai]

At this point I don't really feel voting Fext anymore. There seems to have been a big misunderstanding and while they definitely lied, if they were a wolf I don't think that weird plan would have been approved by their scumbaddies. Are they a Serial Killer? Maybe, but all things considered, I think we should still focus on Snowblaze's wagon. I would be surprised if there wasn't another wolf on that wagon.

My vote returns on gac3.

We really think in completely opposite ways. This spitfire of confusion has completely changed my mind. Remember when I said I wouldn't vote for Fext today? Well this is me eating those words.

Vote Count
Captain Cap (4): Rogan, Batcathat, Moonfly, Supagoof
Fext (3): Gac3, Elenna, Metastachydium
Supagoof (2): Taffimai, Snowblaze
AvatarVecna (1): AvatarVecna
Gac3 (1): Captain Cap

Please double check this
Changed to take a Nina into account

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I think a tie between Fext and Captain Cap could be good. If Cap is a wolf with a vote manipulation power, we will know it.

Your count was off, I had removed my vote on Supagoof right after he posted without picking a new target.

[Fext]

anyways for my money cap is also town

[Book Wombat]

Spoiler: A table, please do not flip

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Player Name	Status?	Identity?/Alignment?	Powers?
AvatarVecna	Alive	???	??? Kill (details unknown)?? Dayvig (works only on Serial Killer)?? Feedback power??
Captain Cap	Alive	???	Roleblock, vote manipulation effect??
Snowblaze	Alive	???	???
Batcathat	Alive	???	???
Supagoof	Alive	???	Protection??
Taffimai	Alive	???	???
gac3	Alive	???	Weaker when others know of it??
Book Wombat	Alive	???/Survivor	Variable
fext	Alive	???	Night 1 Kill Immunity?? Mentions the Serial Killer?
moonfly7	Alive	???	???
Xihirli	Wanted: Dead or Alive	Blue Angel/Town	Roleblock Kill (only those previously roleblocked)
bladescape	Alive	(Game Show Host??)/Town	Kill?
Elenna	Alive	???	???
Metastachydium	Alive	???	???
CaoimhinTheCape	Dead	Cecil Palmer/Mafia	Mafia Kill Dawn broadcast
Rogan	Alive	???	Lie Detector (Night, other restrictions unknown)??

Updated? Please add if I missed something.

[Rogan]

We really think in completely opposite ways. This spitfire of confusion has completely changed my mind. Remember when I said I wouldn't vote for Fext today? Well this is me eating those words.


Your count was off, I had removed my vote on Supagoof right after he posted without picking a new target.

Fext as killer or mafia?

Sorry for that. I didn't go back to check old posts and was only looking for new red posts. I hope, this is correct now.

Vote Count
Captain Cap (4*): Rogan, Batcathat, Moonfly, Supagoof
Fext (4): Gac3, Elenna, Metastachydium, Taffimai
Supagoof (1): Snowblaze
AvatarVecna (1): AvatarVecna
Gac3 (1): Captain Cap

Please double check this

[Metastachydium]

I doubt the captain is the killer. He needs to survive till the end to win this game.
The plan he suggests would get him killed beforehand. The only way would be, he actually can survive a tie a mafia member and wants to gain town cred.

Fair enough. He doesn't really act like I imagine a dog would, so I'm doubly happy with where my vote is.

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anyways for my money cap is also town

Might be. Anyhow, who do you think the dogs are?

[Fext]

that's a great question

frankly I find your admission that you're actively shading everybody who mentions the Serial Killer in their role PM, who are logically not all scum, as your scum, paired with no active effort to reconsider that, to be off-putting

beside that I'm just kind of assuming that blade shot Xi and I think the shot is arguably pro-town

I'd certainly be wary of Taff on the cao wagon, and from the snow wagon I think what I've seen of gac has been particularly unhinged, so I'm definitely going to be keeping an eye there

I've seen like two posts total by that one guy

and then rogan is kinda still a nullspace read

other than that most of what I said at night still applies

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note that if blade did not shoot xi then those town points don't count

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also wait did you just say "Fext isn't acting like a Mafia, therefore I'm extremely happy with where my vote is"?

like what

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Spoiler: A table, please do not flip

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Player Name	Status?	Identity?/Alignment?	Powers?
AvatarVecna	Alive	???	??? Kill (details unknown) Dayvig (works only on Serial Killer) Feedback power??
Captain Cap	Alive	???	Roleblock, vote manipulation effect??
Snowblaze	Alive	???	???
Batcathat	Alive	???	???
Supagoof	Alive	???	Protection??
Taffimai	Alive	???	???
gac3	Alive	???	Weaker when others know of it??
Book Wombat	Alive	???/Survivor	Variable
fext	Alive	Neutral??	Night 1 Kill Immunity?? Mentions the Serial Killer?
moonfly7	Alive	???	???
Xihirli	Wanted: Dead or Alive	Blue Angel/Town	Roleblock Kill (only those previously roleblocked)
bladescape	Alive	(Game Show Host??)/Town	Kill?
Elenna	Alive	???	???
Metastachydium	Alive	???	???
CaoimhinTheCape	Dead	Cecil Palmer/Mafia	Mafia Kill Dawn broadcast
Rogan	Alive	???	Lie Detector (Night, other restrictions unknown)??

Updated? Please add if I missed something.

I'm town, not "Neutral??"

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Fext as killer or mafia?

this is a valid question @Taffmai

[Metastachydium]

that's a great question

frankly I find your admission that you're actively shading everybody who mentions the Serial Killer in their role PM, who are logically not all scum, as your scum, paired with no active effort to reconsider that, to be off-putting

Mind that I only put my vote on you when you admitted that you LIED about your anti-killer powers. Also, as for the Captain, see below.

also wait did you just say "Fext isn't acting like a Mafia, therefore I'm extremely happy with where my vote is"?

like what

I said Captain Cap is not acting really wolfy, because he's the one Rogan's been talking about.

[Fext]

Mind that I only put my vote on you when you admitted that you LIED about your anti-killer powers.

so what?

[more characters]

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I said Captain Cap is not acting really wolfy, because he's the one Rogan's been talking about.

ah okay that's much better, thank you for clarifying

[Metastachydium]

so what?

[more characters]

I'm not on your back for your role description allegedly containing the term serial killer; I'm on you because you lied to us and I have no reason to believe you are not lying now.

[Fext]

boo hoo

somebody lied in my social deduction game about lying

[Metastachydium]

boo hoo

somebody lied in my social deduction game about lying

Sure, game's full of liars. That's part of the point. Thing is, we know you are a liar.

[Rogan]

that's a great question

frankly I find your admission that you're actively shading everybody who mentions the Serial Killer in their role PM, who are logically not all scum, as your scum, paired with no active effort to reconsider that, to be off-putting

beside that I'm just kind of assuming that blade shot Xi and I think the shot is arguably pro-town

I'd certainly be wary of Taff on the cao wagon, and from the snow wagon I think what I've seen of gac has been particularly unhinged, so I'm definitely going to be keeping an eye there

I've seen like two posts total by that one guy

and then rogan is kinda still a nullspace read

other than that most of what I said at night still applies

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note that if blade did not shoot xi then those town points don't count

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also wait did you just say "Fext isn't acting like a Mafia, therefore I'm extremely happy with where my vote is"?

like what

Blades was asking for targets for his power. Xi was in the lead by far.
Blades claimed to have shot Xi. Nobody counterclaimed.
If Blades is not a Town with a vig power, someone is throwing the game.

Fext, you were acting very weird, can you admit this?
I see why you would have wanted to take a bullet or two while you were immune, so taunting the killer is fine.
But why did you want to appear as a neutral?

[Book Wombat]

Whoops! Changed it to ??? since there is no confirmation other than from the person themselves.
(Ignore my entry)

Spoiler: A table, please do not flip

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Player Name	Status?	Identity?/Alignment?	Powers?
AvatarVecna	Alive	???	??? Kill (details unknown)?? Dayvig (works only on Serial Killer)?? Feedback power??
Captain Cap	Alive	???	Roleblock, vote manipulation effect??
Snowblaze	Alive	???	???
Batcathat	Alive	???	???
Supagoof	Alive	???	Protection??
Taffimai	Alive	???	???
gac3	Alive	???	Weaker when others know of it??
Book Wombat	Alive	???/Survivor	Variable
fext	Alive	???	Night 1 Kill Immunity?? Mentions the Serial Killer?
moonfly7	Alive	???	???
Xihirli	Wanted: Dead or Alive	Blue Angel/Town	Roleblock Kill (only those previously roleblocked)
bladescape	Alive	(Game Show Host??)/Town	Kill?
Elenna	Alive	???	???
Metastachydium	Alive	???	???
CaoimhinTheCape	Dead	Cecil Palmer/Mafia	Mafia Kill Dawn broadcast
Rogan	Alive	???	Lie Detector (Night, other restrictions unknown)??

[Rogan]

boo hoo

somebody lied in my social deduction game about lying

Lying is part of the game, sure. And town can lie as well. The thing is, lying as av townie needs some good reasons. What are yours?

[moonfly7]

I like how they say "hypothetically".
Also probably not, most powers do not give feedback, though it does depend a little on the narrator. Especially passive powers (which I assume is the case?).

Yeah, either because they're just broaching that way, or they're asking if someone with immunity powers would know if they were targeted, cleverly hiding it in a "Oh he isn't getting back to me"

that can be silly without me directly objecting to it?

I'd rather it be used somewhere it might actually have an impact

but it's no skin off my back if I were checked last night

Um, ok that feels hella suspiscious to me.

Town?????. I thought you were neutral???? Did I absolutely miss them confirming that like 20 minutes ago?

Yeah, nope that was a flat out lie, I'm not trusting anyone who literally admits to at least 2 lies and then proceeds to give the most standoffish defense and contradict themselves. I'm changing my vote to Fext. I'm still skeptical of Cap some, but there feels like solid evidence for the fext vote. Cap was a tad off, could be the way he plays. But Fext is just erratic, and despite having not really been standoffish at all the whole game, is being ridiculously so now that they've been caught lying.

AV has a special anti SK power. I don't think she mentioned something about Fext?

But I agree about something else: Fext is acting very erratic.

Why did you want to appear as Neutral when you are town? Why are you so focused on the serial killer?

Good questions, Seriously, you have to admit it's suspiscious

oh I mean I do know they exist, that much is true

also the reason should be obvious - neutral killers have no teammates and are harder to find because of it

This reasoning makes no sense to me? Like at all.

oh

yeah

along with the hint I was Neutral

my role card does mention them by name and discussion was getting sidetracked by it so I thought I'd clear it up and try to draw the kill in one fell swoop

I'm not ok with this logic either, you had to have considered that if you told us it would be suspicious. Also if that was your goal you just did a bad job in general, it was way to vague whereas AV was up front and made themselves seem much more dangerous.

oh




I didn't lie

I creatively stretched the truth

Thats worse than an outright lie in my opinion. Lies can be detected by our good lie detector friend, truth stretching cannot. And it's arguably more duplicitous and intentional, lies can happen on the spur of the moment, but bending the truth so that it's convincing without lieing is almost always highly premeditated. Yeah, this wagon seems more possible than Caps or any others I'm seeing right now.

So we have two SKs in town then is what I'm hearing, seems OP but I've got no issues with that.

I mean, I don't think we necassarily do, but I've been preaching that it's a possibility and everybody needs to be prepared for it. Here you go Goof, you can have a tinfoil hat too, welcome to the club.

[Fext]

Sure, game's full of liars. That's part of the point. Thing is, we know you are a liar.

yeah

my point is still

so what?

[gac3]

Lying is part of the game, sure. And town can lie as well. The thing is, lying as av townie needs some good reasons. What are yours?

It's also common practice that when a townie lies and then openly admits it, that they then tell the truth.