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    Dwarf in the Playground
     
    DrowGuy

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    Hello,
    I need a beholder for a room in my game. the main and lesser in the MM is too high and too low respectively for a CR. I know of an undead version, but can't find it. Anyone know what book he is in? And/or are there any other types of beholders in any of the creature lists, in any book except Ebberron.
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    Default Re: looking for a beholder

    Your best bet is to check out Lords Of Madness, which has a full section dedicated to Beholders and has a few alternate-Beholders available.


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    Default Re: looking for a beholder

    The Death Tyrant is the undead version of the Beholder.

    There is quite a lot of creatures you can use :

    - Beholders can be very different from one another. You can have very special beholders. And it's ok lore wise (they are described like that, but I don't remember the source tho).

    - You can have a beholder with some missing eye sockets.

    Also this : http://archive.wizards.com/default.a...d/eo/20070810a

    and here : https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/w...er#Beholderkin

    scroll down to find the list of beholderkin creatures.
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    Default Re: looking for a beholder

    You could always add hit dice or class levels to the lesser beholder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puke View Post

    - You can have a beholder with some missing eye sockets.
    This right here is good GMing...old, grizzled Beholder has a lot of personality.


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    If Gauth is too "small", and Beholder - too "big", then CR should be between 6 and 13, right?
    Well, at CR 8, there are Bleeder Beholder in Dragon Compendium, Director and Eye of the Deep Beholderkin in Lords of Madness
    CR 11: Death Kiss Beholderkin (Monsters of Faerūn)
    For CR 12, we have Occultipus Beholder in Dangerous Denizens: The Monsters of Tellene

    You can advance Gauth by HD (+1 CR for every 4 HD, and +1 CR for Large size)

    Also, there are various templates - such as Axiomatic, Entropic, or Tarterian Creature
    If you slap on Gauth Chimeric Creature, CR would become 9

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    smile Re: looking for a beholder

    Beholder Mage is a prestige class for Beholders and even a few levels can be a fun addition while making them more dangerous.

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    What about a Beholder suffering from cognitive dissonance? For example, it could be cursed to be able to act only half the time.
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    This may be helpful: Mind Flayers, Beholders, and Aboleths Oh My

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    BEHOLDERS

    Monsters:
    Beholder (MM1)
    Beholder, Bleeder (Dragon Compendium)
    Beholder, Death Tyrant (FRCS)
    Beholder, Gauth (MM1)
    Beholderkin, Death Kiss (MoF)
    Beholderkin, Director (LoM)
    Beholderkin, Eye of the Deep )LoM)
    Beholderkin, Eyeball (MoF)
    Beholderkin, Eyeball, Swarm (EtU)
    Beholderkin, Gouger (MoF)
    Beholderkin, Hive Mother (LoM)
    Beholderkin, Overseer (LoM)
    Beholderkin, Spectator (LoM)
    Gas Spore (LoM)
    Gibbering Orb (ELH)
    Half-Farspawn Beholder (sample Half-farspawn Beholder) (online)
    Lurking Strangler (MM3)
    Mindwitness (sample Half-illithid Beholder) (Und)
    Phantom Beholder (sample Phantom Beholder) (online)
    Stormstalk (MoE)
    Vampire Beholder (sample Monstrous Vampire Beholder) (online)

    Classes/PrCs:
    Beholder Mage (LoM)
    Eye of the Xanathar (online)
    Fleshwarper (Secret of the Beholder) (LoM)
    Ocular Adept (F&P)

    Feats:
    Agile Tyrant (LoM)
    Bane of the Unclean (LoM)
    Disintegration Finesse (LoM)
    Disjunction Ray (LoM)
    Focused Antimagic (LoM)
    Graft Flesh (LoM)
    Metaray (LoM)
    Ocular Spell (LoM)
    Thrall Bred (LoM)

    Items:
    Beholder Crown (MIC)
    Crown of Eyes (graft) (FF)
    Eye Stalk (graft) (FF)
    Gazing Eye (graft) (FF)
    Golden Beholder (Dragon Compendium)
    Ocular (armor ability) (CoR)
    Plated Skin (graft) (FF)
    Replacement Eye (graft) (FF)
    Third Eye (graft) (FF)

    Spells:
    Dreaded Form of the Eye Tyrant (CM)
    Eye of the Beholder (BoVD)
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    BEHOLDERS

    Monsters:
    Beholder Lich (D&D Miniatures: Unhallowed set)
    Doomsphere (Monsters of Faerūn)
    Elder Orb (LoM)
    Beholder, Occultipus (Dangerous Denizens: The Monsters of Tellene)
    Beholder Machine (Dungeon #90)

    Classes/PrCs:
    Ocular Master (Dragon #313)
    Sphere Minion (Dragon #296)
    Unholy Abomination (Dragon #313) - printed in the part about Beholders, but may work for any Aberration with Su 3+/day

    Feats:
    Maw of Power (Dragon #313)
    Nimble Flier (Dragon #313)
    Power Soar (Dragon #313)
    Power Surge (Dragon #313)
    Skilled Telekinetic (LoM)
    Tentacular Stalk (Dragon #313)
    Versatile Tyrant (Dragon #313)

    Items:
    Beholder Globe (Dragon #331)
    Dimensional Pocket (Dragon #313)
    Eye of the Beholder (Dragon #340)
    Eye Tyrant Lens (Dragon #313)
    Lens of Ray Chaining (LoM)
    Lens of Ray Doubling (LoM)
    Lens of Ray Extending (LoM)
    Lens of Ray Widening (LoM)
    Mouthpick Weapon (LoM)
    Ocular Gems (Dragon #313)
    Orb Armor (Dragon #313)
    Sphere Mirror (LoM)
    Suspension Sphere (Dragon #313)
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    @ OP: Are you open to 3rd party and home-brew as well? Because that opens up more options.

    Enworld Creature Catalogue (fan made conversions of 1E and 2E monsters):

    Beholder, Kasharin
    Beholder-Kin (Examiner)
    Beholder-Kin (Lensman)
    Beholder-Kin (Watcher)
    Beholder-kin, Searechter (Marine Spectator)

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    Default Re: looking for a beholder

    Would templates help? A half-fiend or half-dragon beholder, perhaps?

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    Default Re: looking for a beholder

    goodman games complete guide to beholders
    https://goodman-games.com/store/prod...beholders-pdf/

    still available in pdf

    good 3rd party stuff thats decent

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