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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
The idea of extrapolating medieval diet and eating habits to the OotS universe is just too funny to me. There's clearly no shortage of fast food in this setting. In fact, I'd venture a guess that all the non-fantasy food we've seen in the comic so far (so no phoenix pâté and the like) was thoroughly modern.
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
That may be at least partly because average height has increased significantly in the last couple of centuries or so.
If the average height of adults was 5' 4" or so until fairly recently, and it's 5' 8" or so now (I can't recall the exact figures) , that would make a big difference to "what is normal weight for an average fit person".Last edited by hamishspence; 2021-10-19 at 08:57 AM.
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For peasants etc the average height etc was low
However the military castes would be eating meat regularly and certain societies had ready access to meat or fish or cheese/yoghurt protein.
Looking at actual armour from that period it’s clear the elite classes were taller and must have had the muscle mass to be able to wear that armour. We’re talking about 20kg armour and then swinging 1k swords for long periods - chainmail would have required even bigger shoulder muscles.'Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! “The day has come! Behold, people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!" And all those who heard his great voice echo in the hills answered, crying:'Auta i lómë!" The night is passing!"
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2021-10-19, 09:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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I mean, it's not like physical qualities actually influence your stats most of the time. Roy is as strong as a twelve-foot frost giant barbarian, for example, even accounting for the belt.
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2021-10-19, 09:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
Very few yes but then again we are talking about 2 people are most definitely military - they are full time melee training and are seen walking about day to day in armour.
With regards to Roy and his Str this goes back to d&d and stars being abstractions. A massive being has a ton of HPs to represent its mass but a high level fighter has a ton of HPs to represent ability to minimise wounds whilst not making things too complicated'Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! “The day has come! Behold, people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!" And all those who heard his great voice echo in the hills answered, crying:'Auta i lómë!" The night is passing!"
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2021-10-19, 09:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
Belkar's commentary on obsessing over fiddly details seems apropos about now, given the theater of the absurd that we've entered into regarding the weight of a pair of two-dimensional comic book figure being lifted into the air by magic ...
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2021-10-19, 09:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
Which, in this case, might represent the equivalent of "the average Viking" or "the average Roman legionary" or "the average samurai".
Even the Vikings, who were notorious for their height, were not enormously tall.
http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/vikheight.shtml
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SpoilerO-Chul's early life, shows him as specifically not a member of the military caste during his early years, up to the age of 10 or so - the critical period where malnutrition can make the most difference.Last edited by hamishspence; 2021-10-19 at 10:02 AM.
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2021-10-19, 10:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, and in Ochul case, he has a ton of HP to represent his mass, cause he doesn't minimise wounds at all, he just stay paralyzed while a Gate explodes right in his face, then he flies miles away and still remains with positive hit points. I mean, i can't imagine Ochul as someone who weights something like 150 pounds...
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2021-10-19, 10:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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I see it as a more abstract form of "toughness" than enormous amounts of muscle and fat. O-Chul is no sumo wrestler IMO.
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So I went all the way back to the beginning of this silly tangent and I have a question:
Why are we assuming Serini isn't carrying any of it? Sure Serini says "grab them" in Panel 4, but time clearly passes between that and Panel 5. If Sunny grabbed them both, concluded "Mom, both of them are too heavy, can you take the girl?" and Serini grabbed Lien, nothing we see on the page has to change. Serini can even fly with a heavy load, or she might tap herself with a bull's strength wand etc. Indeed, panel 5 does look like they're being carried separately.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2021-10-19, 10:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
Hp doesn't represent mass or size or even youthful vigor (not exclusively youthful vigor anyway). I used to think it did too, but then I ran into its official definition which amounts to a vague ability to avoid serious injury and shrug off stuff.
cause he doesn't minimise wounds at all, he just stay paralyzed while a Gate explodes right in his face, then he flies miles away and still remains with positive hit points. I mean, i can't imagine Ochul as someone who weights something like 150 pounds...boomkrackakoom, regardless of weight).
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2021-10-19, 11:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah. The 1964 Olympics had lightweight at 0-137, middleweight at 138-175, heavyweight at 176-204, and openweight at 205+.
Over time they've divided things up into more classes. And revised the numbers upward, which I presume is attributed to some combination of greater international appeal and countries being more involved in optimizing for Olympic performance.
(This information comes from just one source. While there was nothing in it to make me skeptical, I just wanted to be clear I did not seek independent corroboration)Last edited by Hurkyl; 2021-10-19 at 11:04 AM.
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2021-10-19, 11:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Exactly. At 6’, a 200lbs dude is way too big to have a high constitution like O-Chul.
I mean, don’t get me wrong. I love the make believe fantasy of Arnold Schwarzenegger movies with impossibly huge steroid monsters standing 6’ 3” and tipping the scales at 225 lbs, and then literally surviving small nuclear blasts in predator. That’s great stuff!
But it’s not how real people work.Last edited by Dion; 2021-10-19 at 11:24 AM.
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2021-10-19, 11:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
Spoiler: Good Deeds Gone UnpunishedIn fact, in that story, O-Chul described himself explicitly as being "sickly from neglect".
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Why do you think that? This is D&D we're talking about, where stats don't correlate well with body type/shape. But even in the real world, I see 6'/200lbs as consistent with a healthy and quite muscular person.Last edited by bunsen_h; 2021-10-19 at 11:21 AM.
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
Using the PHB height and weight tables - the height at which 200 lb is the median weight for a male human, is 6' 2".
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
Except boxers, which are perhaps the ultimate endurance athletes. The cruiserweight division is literally made of 6ft 200lb individuals.
It's also important to note that a 20% bodyfat male at 6foot 200lbs has 40lbs of fat, and about 60-80 lbs of muscle. That's well within the healthy, not fat range.
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I was under the impression that combat prowess and endurance are far from identical.
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I suppose it depends on how we define "ultimate." Boxers are closer to triathletes, they have to maintain a lot of muscle while being able to jump around for long periods of time. Marathon runners ditch both muscle and fat to specialize in being as small as possible.
Is running in a straight line more exhausting then jumping back and forth while getting wacked? I don't know that for sure either way. I do know from experience that all combat sports require a tremendous amount of endurance training, several hours a day because otherwise you will gas out.
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How 'bout open-water long-distance swimming?
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This matches perfectly to "D&D typical weights for a 6' 0" person"
The typical weight for a 6' 0" human is 190 pounds (rolling a 5 on 2d8 for Weight Modifier), a slightly light weight for such a person would be 176 lbs (rolling a 4 on 2d8 for Weight Modifier) and a slightly heavy weight would be 204 lb (rolling a 6 on 2d8 for Weight Modifier).
5/8 (62.5%) of all 6' 0" adventurers would fall within this range.
When you think of 190 pounds as "exactly in the middle of the Heavyweight range", 200 pounds doesn't look so average.
Though it's true that heavyweight judo and heavyweight boxing may involve somewhat different size assumptions.Last edited by hamishspence; 2021-10-19 at 01:05 PM.
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