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2021-10-14, 09:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
I know I'm not a storytelling expert, but if you asked me for my overall read on this scene so far, it feels like it's set up to show that Serini is competent and prepared for lots of contingencies, and will probably try some further ambush tricks in the next room, but also that she is absolutely on the back foot and stubbornly refusing to talk -- to a fault.
Although, it would be truly delightful in an "early OotS incompetence humor" way if Sunny had just created, like, a 5-foot-deep hole in solid rock and Serini ran into a dead end
My guess, though, is that we will continue to get a dynamic, thrilling, and imaginative chase sequence, with plenty of heart and humor in the dialogue. Oh, well. Guess we'll just have to slog through.
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2021-10-14, 09:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
Spoiler: I'm a seer
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2021-10-14, 10:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
Which makes a little more sense given that it was aimed at Haley, who yoinked V out of the way of their intended eye ray and into hers. And if Haley was thinking that far ahead and realized V would be immune to her intended effect, then she's truly got that admirable rogue's cunning!
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2021-10-14, 10:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
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2021-10-14, 10:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
So, uh, Sunny, why did you attack me and my friends?
Sunny: Because mom says you're going to blow up the world! I can't trust you!
(*makes several expressions of confusion and surprise*) ...Even I'm not dumb enough to do that twice.
Really, what are the odds of someone in the Order - probably Roy - getting frustrated that even after they've stopped being the inept random noobs that blunder into something, break a lot of stuff, and stop it from getting too much worse, they're still forced into that role?Cool elan Illithid Slayer by linkele.
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2021-10-14, 10:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
Sure, that's one way of looking at it.
The other way is that the group being left behind is a petrified Durkon, a KO'd-by-poison Roy, a Cohort-power Minrah... and Elan. Yes, Elan's the most powerful current member of the group left behind.
And the group following her are Belkar, who's at full strength, Haley, who doesn't have her best weapon but has others on her because Rogue, and Vaarsuvius, who might be affected by one of the eyes but otherwise is a high-level wizard with dozens of spells available to cast (and hey, maybe he made his saving throw).
Including probably Dimensional Anchor, which would shut down Serini should she try to escape, since its also a spell that he would have likely prepared when originally planning on facing Xykon and Redcloak, who they know have teleportation magic.
Basically, just about everyone that was still capable of really fighting is chasing after Serini. It really depends on where she's running to, because Vaarsuvius alone is probably a lot more power than she's capable of beating.
Also also... look, she left Sunny alone in the room with Elan. Elan's not a great combatant, but he's a great charmer. She's just begging for him to win Sunny over now that she's not around to stop him from talking. Doubly so since Minrah's also quite friendly, and knows all of the details, including the whole "gods will destroy the world if the Xykon takes the gate" bit that we're not sure has filtered out to the rest of the party.Last edited by Wraithfighter; 2021-10-14 at 10:23 AM.
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2021-10-14, 10:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
I don't know how to break this to you but Elan voted to do it to twice.
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2021-10-14, 10:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
Good point. I just noticed the charm effect is on different eyes when used on Elan 1241 or Haley 1244 respectively.
So eye position seems to be unreliable for identifying the effect.
It still might be sleep. Mind effecting is unlikely, since the eyes are normal for V, while Elan and Belkar had orange eyes in 1241. V doesn't look like stone when we see her last. So it's either sleep or slow again.Spoiler: I'm a seer
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2021-10-14, 10:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-14, 10:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-14, 10:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
I mean, we need to also keep in mind that the Eyestalk Beams have a DC 18 saving throw. That's in the hard, but not unbeatable territory, especially for high-level characters.
Honestly, I'm a little surprised that the entire party failed their saving throws last time. Hell, Flesh to Stone's save is Constitution-based, and Durkon's a high-level Dwarven Cleric (who get high-progression on Fort saves) who's much more of a bashing-faces type cleric (thus would likely have a high Constitution on top of the Dwarven racial bonuses), it's honestly pretty surprising that he managed to fail that.
Sure, obviously, we're reading a story and not following a campaign, the rule on when a character makes or fails their saving throw is "When the plot says so", not pesky things like rules, but the point is just that it might only be setting up a gag in the next strip where Haley asks which beam V got hit by, V doesn't know but says he's fine, and Belkar comments "...wait, we can make saving throws?" or something >_>.
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2021-10-14, 10:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
Here is what I would do if I was Serini. First of all, the hole in the wall would not have an outlet. Instead, once I got to the far end I would teleport back out to the room with Sunny and close up the hole. That way I have split the party and are now dealing with the weaker of the remaining combatants.
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2021-10-14, 10:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
Sunny is lovely and must be protected at all costs.
Also "Pew! Pew! Pew!"Forum Wisdom
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2021-10-14, 10:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-14, 10:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
Give Sunny her own t shirt, please.
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2021-10-14, 10:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
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2021-10-14, 11:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
Haley being smart (if imperfect) is a long established character trait.
High.
Low level moans of "we're doomed" are seen coming form Roy's mouth.
Basically, just about everyone that was still capable of really fighting is chasing after Serini. It really depends on where she's running to, because Vaarsuvius alone is probably a lot more power than she's capable of beating.
She's just begging for him to win Sunny over now that she's not around to stop him from talking. Doubly so since Minrah's also quite friendly, and knows all of the details, including the whole "gods will destroy the world if the Xykon takes the gate" bit that we're not sure has filtered out to the rest of the party.
So much for my "sleep/elf" thought.
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2021-10-14, 11:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-14, 11:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
so we finally find out what number 8 does! disintegrate!
guess those walls are pretty thin! https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/disintegrate.htm okay as much as a 10 foot cube and that hole sure ain't 10 feet tall. wonder how thick that back wall was.
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2021-10-14, 11:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
Hey, I think the last time we saw Haley fail a Reflex save was back in strip 168! And almost half the party beat the Vampiric Gaze save!
But hey, that's why I think it'd be a funny joke, to lampshade how rarely characters manage to make their saving throw :D.Last edited by Wraithfighter; 2021-10-14 at 11:26 AM.
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2021-10-14, 11:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-14, 11:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
It's really hard to see that panel as anything but Haley deliberately shielding herself with V, so I hope the idea that was the Sleep beam is correct. It'd be pretty nuts if she could remember and deduce that particular eye's effect AND make such a judgment call in an instant like that though.
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2021-10-14, 11:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
Technically we already knew that - MM1 pg. 27
Probably as thick as the front wall, i.e. not very.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2021-10-14, 12:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
Yikes. It strikes me that Haley's spoken rationale for trying to capture Serini -- so they can get plot information out of her -- will probably go a long way to reinforcing Serini's antagonism towards the party.
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2021-10-14, 12:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
Why would it?
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2021-10-14, 12:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-14, 12:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
Ooof, yeah, that's worrying, that might make her start to cause problems for them! She might even attack them, poison and petrify critical party members, and try to wipe their memories to completely destroy their efforts to save the world! They better be careful!
Sorry, but while you're not exactly wrong, taking her from "hostile" to "even more hostile" doesn't seem like that much of a worry for them.
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2021-10-14, 12:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
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2021-10-14, 12:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-14, 12:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1246 - The Discussion Thread
The effects of Conjuration spells with Duration: Instantaneous, work in an antimagic field, because the conjured matter isn't magical.
But I don't know that the same is true of other spell schools with spells with Duration: Instantaneous.
Lightning Bolt is Duration: Instantaneous - but if you aim a lightning bolt into an antimagic field, it won't affect things within - it's Evocation, not Conjuration.Last edited by hamishspence; 2021-10-14 at 12:43 PM.
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