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2021-10-25, 07:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Upick 2 Thread 2: Revenge of the Upick
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2021-10-25, 08:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-25, 09:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-25, 10:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Upick 2 Thread 2: Revenge of the Upick
We lost a couple kill people right off the bat, even if it's unlikely it's possible the mafia had read the names and influenced it. Though I severely doubt they did. They got one name night one, but after night 2 they woukldn't have time to use the info, we lamblasted on Wombat and then BCH way to quick. It's possible they scried someone night one and then tried to influence the vote, possibly succeeding and manipulating us into Lynching the person they wanted day 2, or they failed and we lynched an innocent anyways. Then on night 2, they did manage to kill Gac, but they wouldn't have had to scry him.
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2021-10-25, 10:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Upick 2 Thread 2: Revenge of the Upick
So you're saying that they might have guessed who had good powers based on role names? That's possible, but it's not really what I was talking about.
There was some speculation D1 (based on some wording in the OP) that there might be some mechanical reason not to reveal your role name (e.g. a role that can kill if they know role name). Which is why everyone has been redacting the fluff when they role claim. But it seems like wolves probably knew some role names but didn't use any mechanical power based on them, as far as we can tell. So if there is a mechanical reason not to claim role name, it's probably not a wolf power.I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2021-10-25, 10:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-25, 10:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Upick 2 Thread 2: Revenge of the Upick
Actually, it looks like it was two wolves (Cao and BCH) who started the "maybe we shouldn't reveal role names" idea. Which is more evidence that wolves don't have a power that makes use of role names.
Not sure if this is meaningful at all, just something I noticed from Bat's flip.
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2021-10-26, 01:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Upick 2 Thread 2: Revenge of the Upick
Yay, I can’t be murdered!
Anyway, yeah, my reveal works at the end of tonight. It’s not a surrender (though that would have been funny *takes notes for next wolf game*). It’s also fast priority, as I mentioned earlier, so can’t be roleblocked.
I think it’s optimal to shoot Supagoof and Moonfly tonight, since they’re the ones who aren’t going to give useful information tomorrow. But honestly I don’t think it matters, we have enough kills to just steamroll through all the non-mechanical-clears.I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
Werewolf games won: 24
Werewolf games lost: 14
Games as town: 23.5
Games as neutral: 5.5
Games as wolf: 9
Games narrated: 1
Deaths: 17
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2021-10-26, 01:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Upick 2 Thread 2: Revenge of the Upick
The three potential kills tonight for town are Elenna, moonfly7, and Supagoof. Snowblaze is also an acceptable kill.
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2021-10-26, 01:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Upick 2 Thread 2: Revenge of the Upick
I can't be killed at night unless Meta is lying. My alignment will be revealed tomorrow. I'd say that's pretty far from acceptable.
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Also I know this doesn't actually matter, but Rogan is taking a lot of that post out of context. (That may be my fault for not quoting posts to provide said context.)
- my roleblocked thing was me meming about Percy Jackson when there was no wolf kill and Xihirli claimed to be roleblocked.
- the non-commital talk was in response to Moonfly asking me specifically if I had results, which was one of the things that made me think they'd given me the scry. I was trying to subtly hint that "yes, I got the scry but I don't think we should talk about it rn".
- My pocketing bladescape was a reply to bladescape saying "hey Snow, let's be townclear buddies". I could hardly say "no, I still think you're a wolf". Even my paranoia isn't that strong.
- asking gac about the hints... that's not entirely invalid but there's no reason why it couldn't be "town confused about what she sees as inconstencies".
- admitting I might be wrong... again, I don't see why that couldn't be "town with low confidence in her POE, especially after two members are confirmed town".I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
Werewolf games won: 24
Werewolf games lost: 14
Games as town: 23.5
Games as neutral: 5.5
Games as wolf: 9
Games narrated: 1
Deaths: 17
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2021-10-26, 02:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Upick 2 Thread 2: Revenge of the Upick
Yeah it's more of a "since we might not need both kills to check everybody, blades kill is contingency. Killing you in case meta is lying is a good contingency plan.
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2021-10-26, 07:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Upick 2 Thread 2: Revenge of the Upick
- I got the context for the Roleblocking part, but it's not that much of a jump from "claiming to be role blocked can get you killed" to "Hey, if you blocked someone, now would be an excellent time to say so, so we can kill the blocked person". Sure, you didn't say it, but I think Wolf!you could have hoped someone would read it this way to set up one misslynch and get a claim at the same time to maybe night kill them.
- Okay, this mistake is on me. Your explanation is believable, I just compared it to Elennas possible Seer hint instead of getting the connection to moons gift.
- Hah! So you admit it was pocketing!
- Yeah, it could be town. But I am going by the following assumption: Cao didn't come up with the RAC quote on his own. So at least one of his wolf buddies was in this game, likely as a spy. This means either you or Elenna, right? You reacted to gac. As far as I know, Elenna didn't (but I was not looking that closely, I might have missed it).
- Yeah, it could be town. I would not use this as the sole reason to suspect you, but ...
Now, you made it crystal clear that you will be able to use your ability tonight to show your alignment. I do wonder, what kind of mechanic is this supposed to be? But we will see.
About the targets for tonight, Elenna, you could take a look at Meta instead. Snow claims her reveal is fast, so she has to deliver and has absolutely no excuse.
Shooting Snow would be a strange move. It only makes sense if we assume she can be killed (only possible if Meta is lying about his power) and we think she is scum. So two more wolves, them being Snow&Meta.
Goof... I guess, shooting him would be possible, but I think he is much more likely to be town. He appeared on the ultimate question list. And I think this list was selected in a way to give maximum value for a wrong answer. One impossible person, to make it obvious the list is a lie. One suspect person (goof) to clear them. And AV/Rogan because be asked.
But if we don't want to bet on this interpretation, I won't put up too much of a fight.
Meta... Shooting there is not necessarily, we will get the alignment via kill color. But we are running out of possible wolves.
Moon... If we want to shoot Meta, it has to be done by blades. So the only person left to shoot Moon is Meta.
Shooting Elenna is possible as well, but we would not get the scry if the shot hits. Hmmm... Meta shooting Elenna, Elenna scrying Meta. If Meta doesn't shoot, Elenna can either say guilty or she can say who was targeting Meta. If Meta does shoot at Elenna, we will see the kill color and Elennas flip.
Worst case, there is no kill and Elenna says town and nobody targeted. We should lynch Elenna in this case and if she flips town, she was protected in the night to create this mess.Spoiler: I'm a seer
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2021-10-26, 07:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Upick 2 Thread 2: Revenge of the Upick
For what little my life is worth, I don't think we should kill Snow, there is literally no way for her to be lying and get away with it. With a fast priority clear ability if it doesn't go off she gets lynched. That being said let me address our killers.
Meta, you better use that ability on me and not Elena. Stick to the plan.
Blade: Killing goof should be safe unless he goes back on his word and banes himself and not AV.
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2021-10-26, 08:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Upick 2 Thread 2: Revenge of the Upick
Oh, come on. My night actions are already in. Should/can I change them at this point?
Blade: Killing goof should be safe unless he goes back on his word and banes himself and not AV.
Mutatis mutandis, I'll reiterate that the same stands for Snow. You can shoot her if you want, but it will be a waste of that night kill.
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2021-10-26, 08:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-26, 08:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-26, 08:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Upick 2 Thread 2: Revenge of the Upick
Eh... I kind of want to kill Moonfly over Elenna so we can get a scry result if Elenna is town. Though I'm a waste of a scry.
If Supagoof protects someone else, bladescape won't die regardless of whether he's immune. So the only way that bladescape gets killed tonight is if the team is exactly Supagoof/Meta.
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Fair points, Rogan, I guess. I'll just prove you wrong mechanically, less effort than debating it.I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
Werewolf games won: 24
Werewolf games lost: 14
Games as town: 23.5
Games as neutral: 5.5
Games as wolf: 9
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2021-10-26, 08:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Upick 2 Thread 2: Revenge of the Upick
Wait a moment...
Meta called dips on Elenna before. And you didn't want to get killed by you own power...
We know there might be a hidden drawback to the gifted powers (as part of the gifters power set). Which would explain why a wolf would hand them out to townies.
What if the kill power would kill kill Meta if used on moon?
Meta would flip by dying indeed of showing his colors with the kill. Blades would kill goof.
That's two townies down. Snow cleared.
One more townie would die to the wolf kill.
Spoiler: Possible result of the night:
- AvatarVecna - alive?, town
- Snowblaze - definitely alive, town
- SupaGoof - dead, town
- Taffimai - alive, neutral
- Moonfly7 - alive, scum
- BladeScape - definitely alive, town
- Elenna - alive, scum?
- Metastachydium - dead, town
- Rogan, alive?, town
So we would have 3 or 4 town players.
Elenna would be highly suspected and killed at day.
That's still 3 or 4 town players left.
In the night, we would have one kill and scum would have a kill. But no kill could effect Snow or Blades, unless the perma protection runs out after Metas death. Moon can kill AV now and somehow survive the night? But this would still be 2 or 3 VS 1. Even if Taff sides with the wolves, it's unlikely to result in a victory.
Spoiler: Alternative variant
- AvatarVecna - alive?, town
- Snowblaze - definitely alive, scum
- SupaGoof - dead, town
- Taffimai - alive, neutral
- Moonfly7 - alive, scum
- BladeScape - definitely alive, town
- Elenna - alive, town
- Metastachydium - dead, town
- Rogan, alive?, town
Snow lied and gets lynched, no questions asked. That's 3 or 4 town players alive.
Elenna is suspicious and gets killed in the night by blades, AV gets killed by scum.
We are at 1 or 2 town vs 1 scum. Worst case, Taff sides with the wolves. Either wolf victory, or a close race depending on who is faster to vote.
Of course, that's all paranoia speaking.
But I think, if someone should shootSnow(alliteration) moon, it should be blades.
Nobody should shoot Snow, because she either can prove her alignment, or she will have to die during the day anyway.Spoiler: I'm a seer
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2021-10-26, 10:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Upick 2 Thread 2: Revenge of the Upick
Hmmm...all this talk of directly killing me makes me want to protect myself. I mean, if the wolves know whom I'm protecting, they'd obviously attack someone else. So why should I follow any plan that clearly lays out whom I protect? That just doesn't make sense to me. Boil it down to the simplest arguments.
"If you're a loyal towny, you should protect the confirmed towny!" says the wolf, attempting to kill me in the night.
"If you're a loyal towny, you should protect yourself!" says the wolf, attempting to kill someone else in the night.
"If he's a loyal towny, we should kill him!" says the wolf, attempting to get me to protect myself, so they can kill someone else in the night.
"If he's a loyal towny, we should target someone else!" says the wolf, attempting to get me to protect someone else, so they can me in the night.
"Here, wear this tinfoil hat!"
"No, here - wear this tinfoil hat!"
My head tell me the one thing, my gut tells me the other. So yeah, I don't know what I'm going to do just yet. Got some time though.
Let's focus the conversation on where it should be - not whom to target tonight, but whom to lynch tomorrow. Cause that person, I sure am not going to protect.
Oh, and
AvatarVecna
Snowblaze
SupaGoof
Taffimai
Moonfly7
BladeScape
Elenna
Metastachydium
Rogan just to give Blades a wide open list of targets. Be free to kill whomever you choose.
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2021-10-26, 11:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Upick 2 Thread 2: Revenge of the Upick
The whole point is to get the wolves to attack someone else, yes - specifically, someone who is not confirmed town. For that, we want as many confirmed townies to be protected as possible, which requires discussion and coordination.
At this point, it doesn't matter too much if you don't actually block the wolves' kill. We have enough of a numbers advantage that we can afford some deaths. What matters is decreasing the pool of unconfirmed people, and hopefully we can get wolves to help with that by killing one of them.
That being said, maybe the best plan is for you to bane one of Rogan and AV and not say which, since both are confirmed or nearly confirmed town. That would make it harder for wolves to avoid your bane without killing an unconfirmed person.
In any case, definitely don't bane yourself, especially if bladescape is going to kill you. It hardly makes sense for you to deliberately get a townie killed because they said they would kill you - unless you're a wolf, of course.
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Also unless anyone has objections I will switch to investigating Meta since Snow has said their power is fast. Kind of silly since I'm supposed to be killed but it feels like a waste to not use my power.I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2021-10-26, 11:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Upick 2 Thread 2: Revenge of the Upick
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2021-10-26, 11:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Upick 2 Thread 2: Revenge of the Upick
Oh, I think goof can bane himself, as long as blades is shooting somewhere else. I mean, blades should be save from kills, but no need to take this risk.
Goof, you should not bane someone we want to die tonight. I'm not 100% sure, but Meta, Moon and Elenna are possible targets we would want dead, to check them. You should not bane Snow or Blades (unless you are very sure that Meta is scum and they might be vulnerable).
Elenna, no objection at all to you changing targets. Meta should be a better target now.
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- AvatarVecna - locked town. Very good target for protection
- Snowblaze - will resolve tomorrow. Should be immune at night
- SupaGoof - No mech evidence, but many hints for being town. Self protection is very risky. Better pick AV.
- Taffimai - locked neutral. Town should ignore her.
- Moonfly7 - No mech evidence. Don't protect him.
- BladeScape - Locked Town! Should be immune at night.
- Elenna - no mech evidence. Don't protect her.
- Metastachydium - no mech evidence yet, but will show color tomorrow.
- Rogan - locked town*. Good target for night protection.
*from my point of view. And Elennas. Everyone else can have minimal doubt, but scum!me would need to be in a team with Elenna and gave AV my true power name.
If I could force Goof to target someone, I would set him to AV.
Goof would be working against towns best interests if he targets Elenna, Meta or Moon.
Blades and Snow are only an acceptable target if he is sure Meta is lying.
Goof would be a nice guy, but not helpful by targeting Taff.
Goof could target himself if he expects scum to target him, but that's risky and I would not advise him to do so.
Goof would pick a good target for town by protecting me. But I would prefer AV over me. WIFOM dictates that I might be the better target. When in doubt, Goof, flip a coin (and self target if it hits the edge).Spoiler: I'm a seer
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2021-10-26, 12:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Upick 2 Thread 2: Revenge of the Upick
Worth noting that last UPick, Unavenger specifically asked me to keep playing and not surrender when wolves seemed doomed. So it's possible they've said the same thing to the wolves this time, and that could be why we haven't seen a surrender yet.
On the other hand, in retrospect it's clear that we had to keep playing last game to see if AV would win as SK. From what we know there's no reason to think there's any similar issue with this game's neutrals...Last edited by Elenna; 2021-10-27 at 08:16 AM.
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2021-10-26, 12:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Upick 2 Thread 2: Revenge of the Upick
I don't really care who does it, and clearly I dont want to die, but AV was making a decently solid argument for me to be the target. Elena could still get a scry off if she's telling the truth if we don't kill her, and Snow can clear herself. It's only me and Goof who are dead weight, we provide no answers tonight.
So Goof, I wouldn't bane yourself. We don't help town win by protecting ourselves, even if you aren't targeted by us, are a towny, and then get wolf killed(unlikely since that would confirm you as a non-suspect) It's still going to give town important info. Same for me if the wolves knife me. Overall, I think you need to be a tad less defensive and jumpy. Protect anyone but the unconfirmed people on the list(yes that includes yourself), preferabbly rogan or AV but I don't think it matters.
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2021-10-26, 12:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Upick 2 Thread 2: Revenge of the Upick
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2021-10-26, 01:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Musical interlude.
Spoiler: Bang! by AJR
Sun is up, sun goes down and I'm guessing around
And the neutrals and town, we are comfortable now
Been a hell of a ride but I'm thinking it's time to blow
Bang! Bang! Bang!
So I got an idea, shot across in the dark
Put tinfoil on my head, still I'm feeling control
Been a hell of a ride but I'm thinking it's time to blow
Bang! Bang! Bang!
(Here we go)
So get your best guess on everybody
Pretend you know who's wrong
Everybody come hang (come hang)
Let's go out with a bang
Bang! Bang! Bang!
I'm way too newb to die for whatever
I'm way too old to smile here forever come hang (come hang)
Let's go out with a bang
Bang! Bang! Bang!
Feel like I'm gonna puke 'cause my heads spinning true,
Do my trust him or her, or do I even trust you?
Been a hell of a ride but I'm thinking it's time to go
Bang! Bang! Bang!
(Metronome)
Man, someone's up to something (up to something)
Ooh de la de do, thank you all for coming (all for coming)
I hope you like the show
'Cause it's about a target (who to target)
So ooh de la de do
Yeah, come on, here we go
Yeah, come on
(Here we go)
So get your best guess on everybody
Pretend you know who's wrong
Everybody come hang (come hang)
Let's go out with a bang
Bang! Bang! Bang!
I'm way too newb to die for whatever
I'm way too old to smile here forever come hang (come hang)
Let's go out with a bang
Bang! Bang! Bang! (Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang!)
Bang! Bang! Bang! (Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang!)
Been a hell of a ride but I'm thinking it's time to go
So get your best guess on everybody
Pretend you know who's wrong
Everybody come hang
Let's go out with a bang
Bang! Bang! Bang!
(Here we go)
So get your best guess on everybody
Pretend you know who's wrong
Everybody come hang (come hang)
Let's go out with a bang
Bang! Bang! Bang! (Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang!)
I'm way too newb to die for whatever
I'm way too old to smile here forever come hang (come hang)
Let's go out with a bang
Bang! Bang! Bang!
(Here we go)
Bang! Bang!
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2021-10-26, 01:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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