Upick 2 Thread 2: Revenge of the Upick

[Batcathat]

Do you think he's more likely to flip SK or wolf?

If he's SK, who are the wolves?

If he's wolf, who are his partner(s) and the SK?

I'd guess SK, mostly because a killer claiming Survivor seems like a more natural play than a wolf doing it. (Or could that be the reason why a wolf would do that?)

As for the wolves, AV's case against Elenna sounds pretty good but I should probably read through it again. I still have a bad feeling about Supagoof. I can't think of a third one at the moment, so maybe it's just the two of them?

[Snowblaze]

Agreed on BW being more likely SK.

My first reaction was “it’s convenient that you’re wolfreading the other members of my POE” but then I realised there isn’t really much reason to wolfread anyone else.

Except maybe Meta... actually, what did you make of AV’s Meta case?

[Book Wombat]

Saaad thiiings haaappen iiin liiife...
Good luck to everyone then. I didn't fake-claim but I can't prove it. I might as well go on my own terms so...
PULL THE LEVER: BOOK WOMBAT

Was a fun game.

[Batcathat]

Agreed on BW being more likely SK.

My first reaction was “it’s convenient that you’re wolfreading the other members of my POE” but then I realised there isn’t really much reason to wolfread anyone else.

Except maybe Meta... actually, what did you make of AV’s Meta case?

AV does have a good point about Meta sounding way too confident. At the time I interpreted it as Meta having some sort of power they'd help town and were bragging about it. I've mostly had a towny feeling about them so far, but that's admittedly not much. Possible wolf, but for mostly gut related reasons I'd put them below Elenna and Goof on my list.

Saaad thiiings haaappen iiin liiife...
Good luck to everyone then. I didn't fake-claim but I can't prove it. I might as well go on my own terms so...
PULL THE LEVER: BOOK WOMBAT

Was a fun game.

That sounds bad. Good luck with whatever it is.

[Book Wombat]

That sounds bad. Good luck with whatever it is.

Nothing in real life if that's what you meant, luckily. Was referring to the game.

[Batcathat]

Nothing in real life if that's what you meant, luckily. Was referring to the game.

Ah, okay. That's good.

[Book Wombat]

This situation is kinda funny because my character/pick also commited suicide.

[Rogan]

Saaad thiiings haaappen iiin liiife...
Good luck to everyone then. I didn't fake-claim but I can't prove it. I might as well go on my own terms so...
PULL THE LEVER: BOOK WOMBAT

Was a fun game.

You know what would be serious funny?
When you are bluffing right now and could copy AVs power in order to either commit suicide legally or prove you are not the killer.

Can you tell us something about your power or do we need to wait till you flip?
Oh, and if you are a survivor, we know there have to be multiple neutral roles. Or you lied when you denied killing our necromancer.

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About Elenna, if she is a wolf, she was bussing day 1. Would she do so? Now, I said I was hoping for a non-lethal check, so they would know/expect that Cao could not live long. So a bus would not be as expensive. And as far as I know, she is not generally opposed to bussing.

[Book Wombat]

I am a Survivor... or a Serial Killer.
But yeah, I did kill gac3, I think the only time I lied was when I denied it.

[Rogan]

I am a Survivor... or a Serial Killer.
But yeah, I did kill gac3, I think the only time I lied was when I denied it.

Hmmm... if you hadn't lied, I might have been willing to check Taffimai first, in order to see if my power could have been valid after all.

But yeah, this train has departed.
I'm waiting for your flip, if you are innocent (except for lying) I would want to check Taff, Goof, AV. In that order, continue to check until we hit non-scum.

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Oh, and do you have a power regarding role names? If yes, what is it?

[Book Wombat]

I do not, I was just making a pun on "oddish".

[Snowblaze]

O...kay then.

Rest in peace, Wombat. Unless you're somehow bluffing and are going to survive this.

(Note: I'm kind of ill today so I'm not going to be doing masses of solving, even though I do now need to. Hopefully I'll be up to it tomorrow.)

[Rogan]

I do not, I was just making a pun on "oddish".

Ah, okay. I guess this pun went right over my head, so no CHA bonus to damage against me

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O...kay then.

Rest in peace, Wombat. Unless you're somehow bluffing and are going to survive this.

(Note: I'm kind of ill today so I'm not going to be doing masses of solving, even though I do now need to. Hopefully I'll be up to it tomorrow.)

Get well soon.

[Snowblaze]

Thanks. Hopefully I will!

[AvatarVecna]

Even with the suicide threat, it's difficult to get really worked up over the possibility of being wrong. Like...

"Okay, so I know Taff's kill worked on somebody voting them, which is a very survivor thing, and I know that I killed somebody in the night with a different neutral color that's fluffed in a much more serial killer fashion, but I promise that actually it's the other way around."

Ultimately, we're checking one of y'all today, and if that one's survivor, the other one is dead meat immediately after. That's truth regardless of anything going on with me or Rogan or Goof: we have two conflicting survivor claims, both with kills under their belts, but ultimately losing the real survivor still doesn't hurt town.

[Book Wombat]

I am a Survivor... or a Serial Killer.

No one noticed the white text? I can be one or the other, that was basically my power.

[Rogan]

No one noticed the white text? I can be one or the other, that was basically my power.

I noticed you did this. For the second time, in fact.
But... it doesn't really make sense? Why go for killer when the survivor is both safer and easier to get a victory? And how would you interact with a power like pull the lever or the block of Captain Cap?

I don't know what you would gain from lying right now but your claims are seriously weird...

[Metastachydium]

Back from the beuty sleep! (Only to find I'm apparently a top candidate for being an Evil dog now.)
So. AV is wrong and Batcathat is kinda-sorta right. If you go back and check, I also said it is impossible for bladescape to die at night. I could afford being confident, because I made that happen. I'm a continuous doctor. I make people immune to death at night. Forever. Not even I can revoke it. Bladescape is currently under my protection, so I knew he's effectively impervious to night kills, including Supagoof's claimed beastlike power (because that would be a death at night).
As for AV, I had to be confident there. I wanted the dogs to know there's probably a baner other than the Goof and that baner is watching over AV (do note that I never said Rogan will be fine). Of course, since my night 2 target was bladescape, this was a bluff. Hence the definitive need for ridiculous amounts of (feigned) confidence. If I were to give an explanation for how can I protect both AV and bladescape, I would have told the truth: I can protect multiple people at once. But that never came up and I wasn't going to bring it up.

[Book Wombat]

I noticed you did this. For the second time, in fact.
But... it doesn't really make sense? Why go for killer when the survivor is both safer and easier to get a victory? And how would you interact with a power like pull the lever or the block of Captain Cap?

I don't know what you would gain from lying right now but your claims are seriously weird...

It's a Strange Case, isn't it? Just wait for my death.

[Rogan]

It's a Strange Case, isn't it? Just wait for my death.

You know what makes this worse?
I don't know what would be more weird, your claim being true or it being a lie...

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Back from the beuty sleep! (Only to find I'm apparently a top candidate for being an Evil dog now.)
So. AV is wrong and Batcathat is kinda-sorta right. If you go back and check, I also said it is impossible for bladescape to die at night. I could afford being confident, because I made that happen. I'm a continuous doctor. I make people immune to death at night. Forever. Not even I can revoke it. Bladescape is currently under my protection, so I knew he's effectively impervious to night kills, including Supagoof's claimed beastlike power (because that would be a death at night).
As for AV, I had to be confident there. I wanted the dogs to know there's probably a baner other than the Goof and that baner is watching over AV (do note that I never said Rogan will be fine). Of course, since my night 2 target was bladescape, this was a bluff. Hence the definitive need for ridiculous amounts of (feigned) confidence. If I were to give an explanation for how can I protect both AV and bladescape, I would have told the truth: I can protect multiple people at once. But that never came up and I wasn't going to bring it up.

If this were right and working as advertised, the powers would be so freaking different in scope and power, it would be extremely strange...

[Book Wombat]

You know what makes this worse?
I don't know what would be more weird, your claim being true or it being a lie...

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If this were right and working as advertised, the powers would be so freaking different in scope and power, it would be extremely strange...

1. That's me!
2. Maybe it's a one-shot power?

[Rogan]

1. That's me!
2. Maybe it's a one-shot power?

Well... it does make sense for your claimed role. (Signature again) But... didn't Unavenger say they would select the power after alignment? So... you were the killer, but had the power to become survivor?
Argh... this game is soo freaking weird. And isn't there a rule about no alignment changing stuff?

Maybe. But AVs 1 shots seem weaker.

[Snowblaze]

Yup. This game is Weird(TM).

Meta's claim seems a strange one for a wolf to make. Unless they're planning to use it as an explanation for "why am I/why is my consensus town wolf partner still alive".

Then again, the most likely "consensus town wolf partner" is me. And I'm not a wolf.

...eh, Meta is probably town anyway. Going with that until I feel well enough to go quote hunting and ISOing.

[AvatarVecna]

The strongest argument that Meta could be telling the truth is that this is a really good explanation for why town has "or nothing can prevent that from happening" in their wincon. The ability to permanently protect people from NKs is pretty substantial. It's suspiciously conveniently powerful in a "we dont wanna kill this person off too quickly" way, but it helps build a plausible scenario where town is basically guaranteed to win no matter what scum does.

[Metastachydium]

2. Maybe it's a one-shot power?

The funny thing is, I did recently (as in at dawn) acquire a one-shot power I'll have to use or lose next night. Somehow. It has nothing to do with my main power or my role, for that matter. It's also kinda creepy, but Unavenger confirmed that it's not an Evil thing.
My main power, on the other hand is not a one-shot thing:

Metastachydium, you are <REDACTED>, a CONTINUOUS NON-REFLEXIVE DOCTOR and a member of the TOWN. You win the game if you kill every hostile character or nothing can prevent this from happening, and at least one member of your team is alive.

You have ONE ability:

<REDACTED> (Protection Priority): Once per NIGHT you may choose another living player: they are IMMUNE to dying at night.

♣

[Question from me:] Another thing that is not entirely clear to me: how many people can I <REDACTED> at once? Just one (revoking the protection if I pick a new target) or multiple? And if the latter, can I<REDACTED> or it's a once in the <REDACTED>, always in the <REDACTED> deal?

[Answer:] Your ability is exactly as written: each night you can choose a player, and they will be immune to dying at night , and the next night, you can pick someone else, and they're immune too: no ifs, no buts, no refunds.

[Rogan]

The funny thing is, I did recently (as in at dawn) acquire a one-shot power I'll have to use or lose next night. Somehow. It has nothing to do with my main power or my role, for that matter. It's also kinda creepy, but Unavenger confirmed that it's not an Evil thing.
My main power, on the other hand is not a one-shot thing:

Your creepy 1 shot power is moons action. Unless there is another player who can make those strange deals...

And your first claim was formulated in a weird way. It sounded like you claimed you could protect multiple people at once.

AV? You had a power giving you info when targeted, can you explain the scope of this power again?

[Metastachydium]

Your creepy 1 shot power is moons action. Unless there is another player who can make those strange deals...

Wait, did I miss something? Moonfly can empower people with stuff?

And your first claim was formulated in a weird way. It sounded like you claimed you could protect multiple people at once.

I can protect multiple people at once. Currently, I'm protecting two (my night 1 target and bladescape).

[AvatarVecna]

AV? You had a power giving you info when targeted, can you explain the scope of this power again?

I have no such power. The first night, I was told I was set on fire, and shot with a pistol. I was likely told about the pistol because of my "one-time auto-self-bane" ability. I have no idea why I was informed about being set on fire. I have said this multiple times already.

[Snowblaze]

Wait, did I miss something? Moonfly can empower people with stuff?

They haven't explicitly stated it, but they've hinted at it pretty strongly. That was the Reason I townread them day two (I was their night one target.) And they have also dropped hints that they targeted you last night, so it seems a safe assumption.

[Taffimai]

Votes (not upside down this time)

Meta			Supagoof (1)
Taffimai		Taffimai (1)
AV			Elenna (1)
Rogan			Wombat (1)
Moonfly 		Wombat (2)
Elenna			Meta (1)
Snow			Wombat (3)
Blade 			Wombat (4)
BatCat			Wombat (5)

No one noticed the white text? I can be one or the other, that was basically my power.

Ok I'm guessing... Harvey Dent?

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Reasoning: Day 1 you took your serum and were survivor, Day 2 you didn't and got access to serial killer powers.

Ren to Red
BEGIN RED STOP PROJECT SCALE THREE SLASH FIVE COMPLETE COMMA REQUEST COLON WORM COMMA TRIGGER COMMA SERUM COMMA ANTIDOTE STOP TRANSPORT BROKEN COMMA ANOMALOUS WEATHER STOP ACTIVATE ECHO STOP REN END

RED TO REN
REQUEST ACCEPTED STOP TRIGGER AND ANTIDOTE SENT STOP START PROJECT COMPASS STOP SENT SWORD STOP FIND CHICKEN STOP ALCHEMIST HAS FRIENDS STOP RED END