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2021-10-24, 03:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Spirit Binding from Complete Arcane
Complete Arcane errata has a definition of spirit creatures.
For the purposes of the commune with greater spirit, commune with lesser spirit, greater spirit binding, lesser spirit binding, spirit binding, spirit needle, and spirit self spells, a “spirit” or “spirit creature” includes any of the following creatures: all incorporeal undead, all fey, all elementals, creatures in astral form or with astral bodies (but not a creature physically present on the Astral Plane), all creatures of the spirit subtype (see Oriental Adventures), spirit folk and telthors (see Unapproachable East), and spirit creatures created by spells such as dream sight or wood wose (see Complete Divine).
This spell functions as lesser planar binding (see page 262 of the Player's Handbook), except that it allows you to call and trap a single spirit creature of up to 8 Hit Dice.
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2021-10-24, 09:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Spirit Binding from Complete Arcane
Could you technically use those spells to summon a caster using Astral Projection?
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2021-10-24, 09:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-24, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Spirit Binding from Complete Arcane
Spirits also include pretty much all fey and elementals too. So there’s a LOT of spell-like abilities you get access to. Of note it’s worth using this kind of ability to get some elemental grues to crack em open for their spell item, a redcap for its bits, and a ton of soggy water fae who exist to drown people for their druid spells
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2021-10-25, 09:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Spirit Binding from Complete Arcane
I guess because this is a Wu Jen spell no one knows. binding fey seems pretty cool. Still confused about binding creatures in astral form.
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2021-10-25, 10:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Spirit Binding from Complete Arcane
Spirit binding appeared for the first time in 3.0 Oriental Adventures. 3.0 was, from what I remember, weird about astral shape. Sourcebooks were contradictory, but apparently some books assumed that any extraplanar being that entered the Astral was in astral shape, not just those that use Astral Projection. (I also vaguely remember some book acting like astral travellers were "present" on the Material, like etheral travellers are.)
So when Complete Divine and Complete Arcane did a bit of spirit stuff, they copied the text from Oriental Adventures, including this whole astral thing. At least, that's what i believe is the reason for this.
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2021-10-25, 03:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-25, 04:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Spirit Binding from Complete Arcane
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2021-10-25, 05:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Spirit Binding from Complete Arcane
For the purposes of the commune with greater spirit, commune with lesser spirit, greater spirit binding, lesser spirit binding, spirit binding, spirit needle, and spirit self spells, a “spirit” or “spirit creature” includes any of the following creatures: all incorporeal undead, all fey, all elementals, creatures in astral form or with astral bodies (but not a creature physically present on the Astral Plane), all creatures of the spirit subtype (see Oriental Adventures), spirit folk and telthors (see Unapproachable East), and spirit creatures created by spells such as dream sight or wood wose (see Complete Divine).
I guess that could be used for some fun.Characters I've enjoyed playing for more than four sessions:
Falgar the Swiftblade
Revain Sumeth, Whip Fighter Extraordinaire
Malvin Firel, Cleric of Corellon, Destroyer of Undeath
Vongur Dorent, Primeval Champion of Poverty
In defense of the Vow of Poverty
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2021-10-26, 03:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Spirit Binding from Complete Arcane
Greater Spirit Binding can allows calling creatures up to 18 HD. Therefore, if you DM will allow licensed Dark Sun 3.5e material, you can call a Pyreen. A Pyreen has 16 HD and casts as a druid and manifests as a psion of its racial HD.
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2021-10-26, 04:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Spirit Binding from Complete Arcane
The errata definition of a spirit creature does specifically preclude travellers physically present on the astral plane, so plane shifting to the astral plane: not a spirit creature, astral projecting to the astral plane: a spirit creature.
You could bind their astral form specifically, but they could just kill themselves and recast astral projection.World of Madius wiki - My personal campaign setting, including my homebrew Optional Gestalt/LA rules.
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2021-10-26, 04:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Spirit Binding from Complete Arcane
That's what I meant: 3.0 had mostly everybody as astral projections on the Astral, even if they entered through a portal, for example. So astral creatures were more common, which makes it "sensible" to include that in the spirit definition as astral people are a lot more common.
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2021-10-26, 04:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Spirit Binding from Complete Arcane
In terms of sheer power I'm quite sure that one of the most powerful targets for the spell is the Siabrie, a creature that can in the first place shapechange at will, has a SoL gaze attack (although you may want to keep it deactivated, since it may affect also you and your party), and has a lot of SLA's with a druidic feel.
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