Random MetaBanter – Random Banter no. 236 (now with Flowers!)

[Beeftank]

Florida is weird because the further north you are geographically the further south you are culturally.

[Peelee]

Just pondering the relative homogeneity of some places.

Adrian Targett lives in Cheddar, England. He is a direct descendent of Cheddar Man, notable cheese mascot the oldest complete skeleton ever found in Britain, who lived in what is now Cheddar, England in circa 7,000 BC.

Pondering indeed.

[Anonymouswizard]

Well apparently I'm most similar to the very north east of the USA. Like the 5/6 states there are red/orange and the rest is basically all blue. Like two of my cities were Providence and Worcester (which I'm guessing is pronounced 'woah-ses-ter').

Guess it worked out I'm not from round these parts.

[Fyraltari]

Adrian Targett lives in Cheddar, England. He is a direct descendent of Cheddar Man, notable cheese mascot the oldest complete skeleton ever found in Britain, who lived in what is now Cheddar, England in circa 7,000 BC.

Pondering indeed.

Wouldn't the vast majority of people be direct descendants of Cheddar Man? I mean, most Europeans are direct descendants of Charlemagne and he's not 9,000 years old.

Edit: Also, what does this habe to do with cultural homogeneity?

[Beeftank]

Well apparently I'm most similar to the very north east of the USA. Like the 5/6 states there are red/orange and the rest is basically all blue. Like two of my cities were Providence and Worcester (which I'm guessing is pronounced 'woah-ses-ter').

Guess it worked out I'm not from round these parts.

Wuss-ter. Yeah I know. Leicester, Gloucester, Scituate and Leominster also throw people off.

[Anonymouswizard]

Wuss-ter. Yeah I know. Leicester, Gloucester, Scituate and Leominster also throw people off.

I know how the UK version is pronounced, I was talking about the US one. They can't even pronounce Birmingham correctly.

[Peelee]

Wouldn't the vast majority of people be direct descendants of Cheddar Man? I mean, most Europeans are direct descendants of Charlemagne and he's not 9,000 years old.

Unknown. We do know with absolute certainty that Targett is, making him have the longest recorded ancestral record.

Edit: Also, what does this habe to do with cultural homogeneity?

Humor, mostly. Though there's probably something cultural to be said of "person takes up home in a location and his descendents do not leave to 10,000 years". Though most of what would be said would revert back to humor, again.

Wuss-ter. Yeah I know. Leicester, Gloucester, Scituate and Leominster also throw people off.

You can always tell someone's not from around here when they try to pronounce Helena, Mobile, Arab, Oneonta, LaFayette, and Opelika

[Beeftank]

I know how the UK version is pronounced, I was talking about the US one. They can't even pronounce Birmingham correctly.

I was talking about the US one too. They are pronounced the same. Sorry, totally brainfarted there, a lot of towns here are named after English towns, of course you’d be able to pronounce them.

[Peelee]

I know how the UK version is pronounced, I was talking about the US one. They can't even pronounce Birmingham correctly.

Meanwhile, the Brits can't even recognize their own Birmingham.

[Anonymouswizard]

Unknown. We do know with absolute certainty that Targett is, making him have the longest recorded ancestral record.

Humor, mostly. Though there's probably something cultural to be said of "person takes up home in a location and his descendents do not leave to 10,000 years". Though most of what would be said would revert back to humor, again.

The sad thing is, the US is known to be far more culturally homogeneous than Europe. Just the result of much of it's population not having the time to grow into their villages.

[Peelee]

The sad thing is, the US is known to be far more culturally homogeneous than Europe. Just the result of much of it's population not having the time to grow into their villages.

One country more culturally homogenous than 30 countries, news at 11.

[Fyraltari]

Unknown. We do know with absolute certainty that Targett is, making him have the longest recorded ancestral record.

Ihow likely do you think it is that each generation for 9,000 years only had one child?

Scientific consensus is (to my knowledge) that after a certain duration, you are either an acestor of all of humanity or none of it. And the cut-off point is (again to my knowledge) way under 9,000 years. According to Wikipedia our last common acestors is 2-5,000 years old.

Humor, mostly. Though there's probably something cultural to be said of "person takes up home in a location and his descendents do not leave to 10,000 years". Though most of what would be said would revert back to humor, again.

Except, that, by the same token Cheddar Man is almost certainly inside Mr. Targett's family tree dozens or hundreds of time. And while it's possible that one of the line of descent between the two of them stays consistently in the same spot, many would also include VIIth century BC Chinese rice farmers, Native American hunters, Indo-European soldiers and a many other people in many faraway places.

[Anonymouswizard]

One country more culturally homogenous than 30 countries, news at 11.

Roughly the same landmass.

Although it still works if you just compare the UK and US. So my point stands.

[Peelee]

Ihow likely do you think it is that each generation for 9,000 years only had one child?

Scientific consensus is (to my knowledge) that after a certain duration, you are either an acestor of all of humanity or none of it. And the cut-off point is (again to my knowledge) way under 9,000 years. According to Wikipedia our last common acestors is 2-5,000 years old.

All I'm going to say is that of around 20 people who tested, only the one was a direct descendent. I'm aware of the "all or none" claims, but I'm just going off of what the scientists say here. Also, they note that the descendency is on Targett's mothers' side.

Although it still works if you just compare the UK and US. So my point stands.

Does it, though? Deep South vs Cajun vs Texan vs Southwest vs California Surfer vs SoCal vs New England vs New Yorker vs Beantown vs Utah (to be forum-safe about it) vs East Cast/West Coast vs Appalachian vs........

I can go on and on here.

[Anonymouswizard]

All I'm going to say is that of around 20 people who tested, only the one was a direct descendent. I'm aware of the "all or none" claims, but I'm just going off of what the scientists say here. Also, they note that the descendency is on Targett's mothers' side.

Well at that level of genetic difference I'd be shocked if his descents had any genes in common. Humans have 25,000 genes, the genes you have from any particular ancestor should roughly halve every generation. As we're looking at hundreds of generations I'd expect you'd have to test thousands to get multiple confirmed descendents.

Does it, though? Deep South vs Cajun vs Texan vs Southwest vs California Surfer vs SoCal vs New England vs New Yorker vs Beantown vs Utah (to be forum-safe about it) vs East Cast/West Coast vs Appalachian vs........

I can go on and on here.

And yet they basically all have the same name for It/Tag.

[Peelee]

And yet they basically all have the same name for It/Tag.

If we wanna go by what some regions call some things, I refer you back to the Harvard dialect quiz.

[Beeftank]

Oh, I just remembered, in New England, what people everywhere else call milkshakes, we call frappes instead.

[IthilanorStPete]

Florida is weird because the further north you are geographically the further south you are culturally.

Native Floridian, can confirm. It's a weird dynamic.

[Fyraltari]

If we wanna go by what some regions call some things, I refer you back to the Harvard dialect quiz.

*Coughs*painauchocolat*coughs*

[Anonymouswizard]

*Coughs*painauchocolat*coughs*

Look, I just ate. I do not need you making me hungry again.

[Fyraltari]

Look, I just ate. I do not need you making me hungry again.

Blame Peelee.

[Anonymouswizard]

Blame Peelee.

He's not the one who brought up pastries again.

Now being me Spandauer!

[Peelee]

*Coughs*painauchocolat*coughs*

Psh, that's basically the care-uh-mel/car-mel debate in the US.

Blame Peelee.

Blame the French!

[dafrca]

Does it, though? Deep South vs Cajun vs Texan vs Southwest vs California Surfer vs SoCal vs New England vs New Yorker vs Beantown vs Utah (to be forum-safe about it) vs East Cast/West Coast vs Appalachian vs........

I can go on and on here.

While I agree you are naming a lot of stereotypes that are used for TV and Movies, the truth is the way people have moved around the country over the last couple of decades has done a great job of mixing things up.

It is funny at times to hear and see how many different members of many of those stereotypes are all living here in Los Angeles.

[Rater202]

Blame the French!

Blame Canada!

...So a reminder, South Park the movie was nominated for an Academy Award because of Blame Canada.

The movie had an absolutely beautiful song about the villain's yearning desire to live somewhere where he could be safe, loved, and accepted... But it was an angry mob of Karens that almost won the film an oscar.

I will never understand how award shows work.

[HalfTangible]

Blame Canada!

...So a reminder, South Park the movie was nominated for an Academy Award because of Blame Canada.

The movie had an absolutely beautiful song about the villain's yearning desire to live somewhere where he could be safe, loved, and accepted... But it was an angry mob of Karens that almost won the film an oscar.

I will never understand how award shows work.

Who the heck stans Blame Canada over, say, La Resistance?

Side note: I've had a South Park song in the broadway musical style stuck in my head for the last few days. If you know what it is, I'm so sorry.

[Bartmanhomer]

Blame Canada!

...So a reminder, South Park the movie was nominated for an Academy Award because of Blame Canada.

The movie had an absolutely beautiful song about the villain's yearning desire to live somewhere where he could be safe, loved, and accepted... But it was an angry mob of Karens that almost won the film an oscar.

I will never understand how award shows work.

I love that song and award shows are very questionable nowadays.

[Mystic Muse]

Pretty sure award shows have always been questionable.

[Bartmanhomer]

Pretty sure award shows have always been questionable.

Yes for example the 2022 Golden Globe Awards is going to be canceled due to a lack of diversity.

[Anonymouswizard]

Pretty sure award shows have always been questionable.

Yeah, not trusted them personally ever since The Epic of Gilgamesh lost that Best Romance award.