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2021-11-29, 12:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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“He can use any feat he has except...item creation feats...”
From the description of the barbarian's rage:
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2021-11-29, 01:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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^^
It's the other way around. They want to prevent you from using the rage as buff for crafting purposes.
e.g. "You may not rage while crafting a sword."
It's to prevent rage abuse outside of combat. Not to prevent crafting while fighting xD
Sorry your interpretation makes me *rofl*
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2021-11-29, 03:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: “He can use any feat he has except...item creation feats...”
Rage as a buff for crafting purposes?
There's not really anything to buff during magic item crafting, much less anything that Rage would help with.Last edited by icefractal; 2021-11-29 at 03:18 AM.
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2021-11-29, 03:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Orko, He-man & Battlecat (a Dragonfire Mount's Ubermount and its Ubermount)
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2021-11-29, 03:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: “He can use any feat he has except...item creation feats...”
Now I kind of want to do it, just because I really like the mental image of someone carefully crafting something while screaming in incoherent rage the entire time.
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2021-11-29, 03:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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I mean, crafting feats require the use of Spells, which the Barbarian doesn't have, so... I don't know what they were trying to accomplish with it. Maybe some never published draft of the crafting rules would have somehow benefited from a Raging Barbarian Crafter, and they wanted to make sure they vettoed that? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2021-11-29, 06:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: “He can use any feat he has except...item creation feats...”
They've clearly never listened to programmers work, if they think that a gestalt Barbarian // Wizard wouldn't be raging while crafting.
I suspect it's the same in other creative industries.
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2021-11-29, 06:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Maybe the physical manufacturing bit requires care and attention?
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2021-11-29, 08:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-11-29, 11:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Bag of Holding.
How do you get 250 cuft of empty space in a 4cuft sack?
Rage and pound it in with a maul obviously.
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2021-11-29, 04:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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You all laugh, but there are real druidic avengers out there who are in pain because they can't get the extra spell penetration from Grell Alchemy while using their Rage Casting feat!
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2021-11-29, 05:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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A rage mage (CW prc) can cast and rage simultaneously. Can't see how it helps with crafting (can raise DC by 2 or quicken a spell or cast spells while under a Tenser Transformation type class ability, but rage doesn't last long enough to craft and none of these help with crafting in any way)
Maybe they imagined a crafter-type PRC with standard action magic item crafting?Last edited by Seward; 2021-11-29 at 05:38 PM.
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2021-11-29, 06:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: “He can use any feat he has except...item creation feats...”
Maybe they imagined some “eternal rage unless you explicitly meet the co diction to end it, go unconscious, or die” ability?
Isn’t there some variant that has rage auto turn on when you are below half your max hp?
Edit: Yes there is! Berserker Strength from PHB II has the same limitations as rage. So, no crafting magic items until you have at least half your hp?
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2021-11-29, 08:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Berserking Sword could theoretically keep one in a rage long enough to craft if it weren't for this clause. Of course, that sword also dictates your behavior. I suppose not all living things are creatures, and there's that multiple mental control effects clause... so a Dominated Wizard holding a Berserking sword can't craft due to this clause, but would have a chance to do so without it?
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Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.
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2021-11-29, 11:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-11-30, 02:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: “He can use any feat he has except...item creation feats...”
There's also probably some kind of silly thing to be done with Ilumians and Str-based bonus slots to get an extra few casts at the end of a day for the purposes of hedging in some extra bits of crafting, but that seems like a waste compared to using the rage and extra slots for just about anything else. But you'd need to be a non-prepared caster in most cases.
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2021-12-01, 06:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-12-02, 05:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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So to sum up: for rage to be useful for item creation, there has to be 1) a magic item whose creation requires a certain STR or CON score, and 2) something that allows the barbarian to rage for 8 hours straight.
With the hindsight of a hundred different splatbooks, that combination is not out of the question, but I just can't imagine the designers considering it when writing the 3.0 Player's Handbook. I suppose they were just thinking “We'll rule out all the magical feats, regardless of whether they're relevant or not.”
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2021-12-02, 07:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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You can craft a magic item using a item creation feat you possess as a standard action while raging as well as make Craft checks. To make a magic item while raging you must make a Craft check DC 10 + the items unmodified caster level, failure means half of the costly materials are wasted. Success means the item is crafted in one action as you furiously bang away at the uncompleted item in frustration. The item’s caster level also increases by 1/2 the bonus to your strength score granted by your rage, this does not effect the item’s cost.Native Sha'ir enthusiast. NO GENIE WARLOCK DOESNT COUNT!
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2021-12-02, 11:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: “He can use any feat he has except...item creation feats...”
Maybe rage and permanency could be cast on an enemy wizard or artificer to render them unable to make magic items?
Or a particularly worded geas, curse or even wish? That could be amusing, actually.
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2021-12-03, 12:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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I've seen people cast rage offensively to prevent enemy casters from casting, but this is new.
Hm.. I'm imagining a roguish caster that works for a guild or cooperation that crafts and sells magic items. His work is to stop the work of other crafters that are not part of the cooperation. They will lose their contracts, because they can't finish the product on time. Thus turning the customers to the cooperation.^^Extended Signature with Links to all my build showcases in the forum
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2021-12-03, 08:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: “He can use any feat he has except...item creation feats...”
Great feat for someone who wants to make golems (or any magic item, really). Qualifying is painful, though. Maybe a barbarian-1/Artificer-X? Can spit out items VERY quickly (even with a base con of 10, you get five rounds of range, which could be five items, regardless of their market price.
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Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.
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2021-12-04, 04:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-12-04, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: “He can use any feat he has except...item creation feats...”
The only thing that comes to mind are 3.0 Psionic classes where you prime attribute can be strength or constitution depending on discipline.
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2021-12-04, 03:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Becoming unable to use Extra Rings could hurt a little, depending on how your DM interprets "cannot use." Few barbarians would qualify, but you can use templates to cheat (Shadow template's CL15 Plane Shift SLA, for example).
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2021-12-04, 04:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: “He can use any feat he has except...item creation feats...”
ok. I've found an Item with an attribute dependency to craft. But it's DEX.
Monkey Head Talisman from Dragon #351 (IIRC) requires combat feats as requirement to craft (Deflect Arrorow, Spring Attack, Stunning Fist). But as said it requires DEX. Do we have any items that maybe depend on Power Attack (STR) to craft?Extended Signature with Links to all my build showcases in the forum
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Gaive'Ur, the last Eldritch Knight of Bane (✝)
PACMAN, the Southern Beholder Mage (accelerated spell progression + double 9s)
Optimus Urbana Hierophantus - a Mobile Suit Gundam / Mech / Transformers build
Orko, He-man & Battlecat (a Dragonfire Mount's Ubermount and its Ubermount)
Giant Dwarf, the Rock Superstar (a War Chanter build)
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2021-12-04, 07:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm very disappointed that there are already 26 posts in this thread and not one person has explained a beautifully ridiculous system of loopholes and overall jankiness that this is specifically meant to block.
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2021-12-04, 10:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: “He can use any feat he has except...item creation feats...”
I think this is one of those rare cases where they were just trying to parallel skills and feats and be through. Not many other feats in the PHB require patience other than the also blocked Skill Focus.
Or maybe they didn't want you to use that sweet will save bonus to...IDK, sacrifice souls for xp or some junk? Get around a permanent Rage spell by crafting a scroll of remove curse? Something something negative hitpoints drowning omniscificer.
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2021-12-05, 09:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, I've just learned over the years that if you stumble across a bizarrely specific rule or errata item, it's there because somebody did it. I'm just not familiar with the specifics of the normal item crafting rules because I don't care for the fact that it costs XP and always try to find alternative ways to pay the piper when I DM (with varying degrees of success). That implies that every magic item crafter has a Murder Dungeon he goes down into and slays some kobolds or something whenever you order a ring of protection or something, since combat is the most reliable source of XP.
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2021-12-05, 10:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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