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2021-11-29, 12:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ways to get Arcane Spell Failure down to zero in light armor?
Assuming an Abjurant Champion that likes to wear light armor, what is the best way to get ASF down to effective zero in light armor?
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2021-11-29, 01:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ways to get Arcane Spell Failure down to zero in light armor?
Any reason not to use (greater) mage armor or luminous armor?
Ways I know of:
Mithral(-10%)
Caster Armor(Dragon #358, -5%)
Thistledown Padding(Races of the Wild, -5%)
Githcraft(DMG II, -5%)
Ferycraft(DMG II, -5%)
Twilight(+1 armor property, 10%)
A Mithral Caster Thistledown chain shirt is light armor that has 0% asf and costs around 2k, iirc.If any idiot ever tells you that life would be meaningless without death, Hyperion recommends killing them!
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2021-11-29, 02:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ways to get Arcane Spell Failure down to zero in light armor?
Duskblade 1, which flat-out allows you to ignore light armor ASF ... albeit that applies only to Duskblade spells.
EDIT: In fact, stealing from old GITP threads:
Bard, light armor
Fighter, Armored Mage alternative class feature, Complete Mage, light armor
Duskblade 1, 4, 7/20, Player's Handbook 2, casting in light armor, medium armor, then heavy shields respectively
Bladesinger 6, ecl 11, Complete Warrior, cast in light armor
Hexblade, Complete Warrior, casting in light armor
Spellsword 1, 3, 5, 7, 9/10, ecl 6, Complete Warrior, 10/15/20/25/30%
Rage Mage 2, ecl 7, Complete Warrior, -10% in light or medium armor
Spellthief, Complete Adventurer, casting in light armor
Fochlucan Lyrist 1, ecl 11, Complete Adventure, cast in light armor
Warmage 1, 8/20, Complete Arcane, casting in light then medium armor
Suel Arcanamach 1, 4, 7, 10/10, ecl 7, Complete Arcane, 5% each time
Battlecaster, feat, Complete Arcane, allows casting in armor one category heavier (unclear whether you gain proficiency)
Geomancer 1, ecl ?, Complete Divine, see text
Dragon Devotee 3, ecl 8, Races of the Dragon, ignore ASF for 0-level and 1st-level spells
Arcane Heirophant 1, ecl 6, Races of the Wild, casting in non-metallic light or medium armor
Runesmith 1, ecl 6, Races of Stone, cast in any armor, see text
Knight of the Weave 2, ecl 7, Champions of Valor, cast in light armor, in medium at level 8
Pale Master 4, 8/10, ecl 9, Libris Mortis, -10% each for undead armor
Knight Phantom 1, ecl 6, Eberron: Five Nations, casting in light armor
Corrupt Avenger 1, ecl 7, Heroes of Horror, light armor
Silver Key 1, ecl 5, Eberron: Dragonmarked, light armor, abjuration only
Githyanky Battlecaster, feat, Monster Manual 4, light armor
Fatemaker 1, ecl 6, Planar Handbook, light
Ebonmar Infiltrator 1, ecl 6, Cityscape, cast in light armor, see text
Urban Savant 1, ecl 6, Cityscape, cast in light armor, see text
Knight of the Weave 2, ecl 7, FR: Champions of Valor, cast in light for all classes, medium at level 8
Twilight, armor enhancement, Book of Exalted Deeds, -10%
Thistledown, armor add-on, Races of the Wild, -5%
Leafweave, armor add-on, Races of the Wild, -5%
Feycraft, armor template, DMG2, -5%
Githcraft, armor template, DMG2, -5%
Hellforged, armor template, DMG2, +5%
Blue Ice, component, Frostburn, cast [Cold] spells without ASF
Albeit most of the classes with armor ASF reduction will usually apply it only to their own spell lists, not generally...Last edited by Saintheart; 2021-11-29 at 02:21 AM.
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2021-11-29, 04:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ways to get Arcane Spell Failure down to zero in light armor?
Abjurant Champion level 0 (for some reason it's listed in Complete Warrior as Spellsword) gives -10% ACF. That and Mithral gets you Chain Shirt; thistledown padding or any of the other special craft options gets you to a 0 ACF Breastplate. Spellsword slots into almost all Abjurant Champion builds easily and it can help when your DM starts looking at you weird when you start trying to collect an armor with six different special craft modifiers.
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2021-11-29, 11:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-12-02, 12:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ways to get Arcane Spell Failure down to zero in light armor?
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2021-12-02, 03:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ways to get Arcane Spell Failure down to zero in light armor?
There is a Fighter ACF called Armored Savant from something called Eldritch Warriors (dragon mag maybe?) that halves any spell failure of any armor you wear.
That and Ectoplasmic Armor from SpC doesn't require you to be the epitome of good nor have your DM bang their head against the wall because he is forced to dispel it every fight at least once to get rid of the -4 attack penalty that doesn't have a save.Last edited by Darg; 2021-12-02 at 03:46 PM.
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2021-12-02, 04:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ways to get Arcane Spell Failure down to zero in light armor?
Unfortunately EA only works on ghosts, so unless you have a way of treating all incoming attacks as incorporeal, it doesn’t exactly help much. The reasonable answer is to just pretend mage armor and greater is abjuration and forget that luminous armor was ever printed like a sensible person.
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2021-12-02, 04:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ways to get Arcane Spell Failure down to zero in light armor?
Most characters are not going to be the devotees of "good" to fulfill the requirements to even cast those spells. BoED is forever out of reach for my groups because being paragons of an alignment is a lot of work, for the players and the DM. Honestly, it's only really practical if you keep the game wholly about stark good vs evil. If you venture into grey areas too often, you'll end up in arguments with the casters (sanctified feats are rarely really worth much) over losing their spells because they just can't grasp the bar of goodness that they must uphold for their characters. We eventually dropped the game because it just wasn't fun having to weigh every action all the time.
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2021-12-02, 05:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ways to get Arcane Spell Failure down to zero in light armor?
Exalted good is so vague I always just say they need to stay in the good alignment part of the spectrum. I can’t be asked to DM the objective cosmic moral order of the universe. Then again I usually ditch alignment requirements in my games anyway because they tend to be grey black morality at the best of times, so anyone deciding to use downtime to build a orphanage or something probably earned enough good boy points to satisfy it by the settings standards.
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2021-12-02, 06:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ways to get Arcane Spell Failure down to zero in light armor?
I wouldn't call it vague at all. Sanctified magic requires that characters "utterly" devote themselves to good. Being good requires altruism, sacrifice, and mercy. Anything else can lead to neutrality or evil. Committing an evil act immediately loses you your exalted status, while taking neutral actions can be seen as indifference to your devotion. This makes sanctified magic easy to lose.
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2021-12-03, 04:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ways to get Arcane Spell Failure down to zero in light armor?
You don't have to be Exalted to cast sanctified spells. Just not Evil. Luminous armor does target a Good creature though, so you'd have to be Good to receive it, but you don't have to be Exalted.
You can also use it if you get the [Good] subtype somehow, which will make your count as Good for spell effects.Last edited by Zanos; 2021-12-03 at 04:26 PM.
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2021-12-04, 12:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ways to get Arcane Spell Failure down to zero in light armor?
For those willing to utterly devote themselves to good, great power awaits in the form of sanctified magic.
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2021-12-04, 12:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ways to get Arcane Spell Failure down to zero in light armor?
I dunno, I kinda disagree here. Spellsword requires all martial and simple weapon proficiencies, and all armor proficiencies, while abjurant champion only requires a single martial weapon proficiency, so there's definitely a decent separation between the two classes in terms of qualification.
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2021-12-04, 12:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ways to get Arcane Spell Failure down to zero in light armor?
Twisted silk (Dragon 348) is ACF +5%, +3 armor, +7 max dex, no armor check bonus. Feycraft or githcraft will get that down to 0%.
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2021-12-04, 01:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ways to get Arcane Spell Failure down to zero in light armor?
I think you're being overly selective to support your interpretation. The full quote is this:
For those willing to utterly devote themselves to good, great power awaits in the form of sanctified magic. These spells require a great sacrifice from the caster in exchange for powerful results.
Spellcasters prepare sanctified spells just as they do regular spells, and casters who do not prepare spells (including sorcerers and bards) cannot make use of them except from a scroll. Evil characters cannot cast sanctified spells, including ones cast from magic items.Last edited by Zanos; 2021-12-04 at 01:48 AM.
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2022-01-12, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ways to get Arcane Spell Failure down to zero in light armor?
It does have features.
+1 level of spellcasting
+1 BAB
That’s honestly enough for most Gish builds to work it in if they can. It’s like how people would take 10 levels of Abjurant champion even if the last 5 didn’t have class features, the chassis is better than most.Native Sha'ir enthusiast. NO GENIE WARLOCK DOESNT COUNT!
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Re: Ways to get Arcane Spell Failure down to zero in light armor?
Dragon #359 have rules for body modifications; armor combat mod with 0 armor bonus have 0% ASF, 0 ACP, 0 lbs. encumbrance, and costs 0 gp (sans special materials, masterwork, or magic)
(Also, you can animate light armor and then - possess it)
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2022-01-13, 12:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ways to get Arcane Spell Failure down to zero in light armor?
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Re: Ways to get Arcane Spell Failure down to zero in light armor?
If Pathfinder is available, there's the Arcane Armor Training feat. 10% reduction.
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