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2021-11-30, 10:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Earliest Entry to Fiend of Possession?
I thought once you started a racial class like those in Savage Species you couldn't take other classes until you were done.
"A monster character may not multiclass until it completes the full progression in its monster class. This rule keeps characters from gaining the benefits of a monster’s type and then quickly switching to a standard class"Last edited by Wombles; 2021-11-30 at 10:53 PM.
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2021-11-30, 10:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Earliest Entry to Fiend of Possession?
As I recall, it depends on which savage progression you're using; one version requires you to finish it entirely first, and another only requires that you finish it... eventually. Could be after you hit level 30 for all the rule cares. Also as I recall, the more broadly worded, unbalanced one was the earlier one, unsurprisingly enough.
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2021-11-30, 11:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-12-01, 02:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Earliest Entry to Fiend of Possession?
Just of note while I was looking up options for this, thanks to Eberron Campaign Setting having a sidebar on it all fiends with sufficiently big enough charisma already apparently get a posession ability that resembles a low level fiend of posession.
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2021-12-01, 10:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Earliest Entry to Fiend of Possession?
"A monster character may not multiclass until it completes the full progression in its monster class. This rule keeps characters from gaining the benefits of a monster's type and then quickly switching to a standard class" p152
I was so happy yu found something but then... nope
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2021-12-01, 10:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-12-01, 10:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Jul 2011
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- Tula, Russia
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Re: Earliest Entry to Fiend of Possession?
Note: CE or NE Petitioner have both Outsider type and Evil subtype, and - technically - LA +0; all you would need is to get the skill ranks and Will save
Overall, looks like the 4th level is the "hard limit" for entering FoP (at least, without abusing negative LA - with it, you can enter FoP below the 0th level)
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2021-12-01, 11:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-12-01, 11:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Earliest Entry to Fiend of Possession?
Characters I've enjoyed playing for more than four sessions:
Falgar the Swiftblade
Revain Sumeth, Whip Fighter Extraordinaire
Malvin Firel, Cleric of Corellon, Destroyer of Undeath
Vongur Dorent, Primeval Champion of Poverty
In defense of the Vow of Poverty
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2021-12-01, 12:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Earliest Entry to Fiend of Possession?
Yes, it's these articles: Savage Progressions
Last edited by Zarvistic; 2021-12-01 at 12:16 PM.
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2021-12-01, 12:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Earliest Entry to Fiend of Possession?
It is - for templates:
A template's description provides a set of instructions for altering an existing creature, known as the base creature.
The changes that a template might cause to each line of a creature's statistics block are discussed below. Generally, if a template does not cause a change to a certain statistic, that entry is missing from the template description. For clarity, the entry for a statistic or attribute that is not changed is sometimes given as "Same as the base creature."
3.5 update booklet for Manual of the Planes don't lists them as "LA: —" - thus, a fair play for a PC...
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2021-12-01, 01:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-12-01, 02:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Earliest Entry to Fiend of Possession?
Per the quote you provided, 'For clarity, the entry for a statistic or attribute that is not changed is sometimes given as "Same as the base creature."' The word "sometimes" means that it is not the general rule. If it were, it'd say "the entry for a statistic or attribute that is not changed is given as 'Same as the base creature'." One uses concrete wording, the other doesn't.
Firstly, Diabolus is already an LA +1 race. Secondly, a lesser variant would remove the Outsider type from it, which is necessary for the PrC we're focusing on.Characters I've enjoyed playing for more than four sessions:
Falgar the Swiftblade
Revain Sumeth, Whip Fighter Extraordinaire
Malvin Firel, Cleric of Corellon, Destroyer of Undeath
Vongur Dorent, Primeval Champion of Poverty
In defense of the Vow of Poverty
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2021-12-01, 04:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-12-01, 04:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-12-01, 04:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Earliest Entry to Fiend of Possession?
Not for this, but it might if you started at higher levels. IIRC, the DMG mentions that you don't actually buy all of your equipment at higher levels, and sometimes you can get your +5 vorpal greatsword when you first left home, or something. If you apportion your WBL to "buy" the ritual back when you were a 1st level peon, then fluff it as something you were born as (or developed in some other way) as part of your backstory, it might work.
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2021-12-01, 04:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Earliest Entry to Fiend of Possession?
Not a general rule?..
Oh, come on!
What's you mean - most of templated creatures are weightless (some of tempates change weight), immobile (some of tempates change speed), and invisible (some of tempates change appearance)?
Because I'm pretty sure none of tempates have "Weight (/Speed/Appearance): as base creature" line...
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2021-12-02, 05:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Earliest Entry to Fiend of Possession?
Alright it looks like the DM is willing to allow:
"someone paid for your ritual of gain a subtype, and now you owe them a huge favor" Rp plan, so i'll be taking my FoP first level as 4th level, whoo! (for a total of 2 levels at ECL 5)Last edited by Wombles; 2021-12-02 at 05:23 PM.
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2021-12-02, 05:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Earliest Entry to Fiend of Possession?
If you're getting the subtype essentially for free, maybe go Neraph as the race? It's one of the few LA +0 Outsider races.
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2021-12-02, 05:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Earliest Entry to Fiend of Possession?
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2021-12-02, 05:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-12-02, 05:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Earliest Entry to Fiend of Possession?
My crystal ball says "no."
"When you wear the chasuble, you are considered a native on any plane with an alignment trait matching your chosen alignment (and gain the extraplanar subtype while on the Material Plane). While on such a plane, you ignore the effect of any alignment traits of the plane. For example, a lawful incarnate who shapes this soulmeld would be considered native to any plane with the lawful trait, including the Seven Mounting Heavens of Celestia and the Nine Hells of Baator. You also gain resistance 10 to a specific energy type, based on your alignment. Chaotic incarnates gain resistance to electricity 10, evil incarnates gain resistance to acid 10, good incarnates gain resistance to cold 10, and lawful incarnates gain resistance to fire 10."
So you are considered native to a plane of your chosen alignment (and extraplanar to the Material Plane), ignore alignment traits of any plane you're "native" to, and gain energy resistance to one energy type. Binding it grants you gate 1/week.Last edited by MaxiDuRaritry; 2021-12-02 at 06:01 PM.
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2021-12-02, 05:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Earliest Entry to Fiend of Possession?
My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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