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2021-12-06, 02:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Which monsters have the highest raw ability scores?
Talking first-party, non-templated, non-unique monsters, and nothing from ELH. For example, Draconomicon's great wyrm Radiant Dragons have 49 strength. Is there any monster for which an average specimen is even stronger?
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2021-12-06, 02:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Which monsters have the highest raw ability scores?
Are epic monsters that aren't in the ELH okay? There are some web enhancement and dragon magazine epic monsters with some crazy stats.
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2021-12-06, 03:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Which monsters have the highest raw ability scores?
I can't think of anything with more Strength than that. If you want to get technical, there are a few monsters that advance size as they gain hit die that would reach a STR of 50 or higher from those size bonuses (The Blackstone Gigant out of the Fiend Folio and the Goristro out of Fiendish Codex I, for example) and that technically fits your non-templated, first-party, non-unique, non-epic requirement, but I'm not sure if you're looking for something that involved. I think if you're looking for a creature with the highest all-around stats, you'll be hard-pressed to beat the Dragons.
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2021-12-06, 04:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Which monsters have the highest raw ability scores?
I concur. Non-advanced, I think Great Wyrms (Tome for Intelligence, Gold if Dragon Magazine is disallowed, Radiant for Str and Wis, Shadow for Cha), the Tarasque for Constitution (35), and an Air Elemental Monolith for Dexterity (33)
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2021-12-06, 10:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Which monsters have the highest raw ability scores?
Mountain giant (MM2) Con 37
Thunder worm (FF) Cha 42
Both are from 3.0 sources but AFAIK have never been updated so are still valid
Edit: strictly speaking, the Sphinx and Time Dragon (both from Dragon Magazine) hold the records for everything except Dex, but as they're in articles with "epic" in them they don't fit the spirit of your request, even if you consider Dragon first party.Last edited by Biggus; 2021-12-06 at 10:13 AM.
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2021-12-06, 10:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Which monsters have the highest raw ability scores?
Requirements:
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- Non-Templated
- Non-Unique
- No ELH
Draconomicon
Dragon (Radiant, Great Wyrm): Str 49
Monster Manual
Elemental (Air, Elder): Dex 33
Monster Manual
Titan: Con 39
Monster Manual V
Illurien: Int 36
Monster Manual
Dragon (Gold, Great Wyrm): Wis 33
Fiend Folio
Thunder Worm: Cha 42
Spoiler: Edge Case?There are creatures in various books that are named something like "Aspect Of Bahamut" or "Avatar Of Vecna" or something like that. Whether an aspect/avatar/etc counts as a "unique" creature in your book feels almost like a matter of opinion. I've not listed them in the above winners, but I'll list them here as potential winners:
Elder Evils
Aspect Of Atropus: Str 58
Fiendish Codex II
Aspect Of Glasya: Dex 34Last edited by AvatarVecna; 2021-12-06 at 10:36 AM.
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2021-12-06, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-12-06, 01:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Which monsters have the highest raw ability scores?
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2021-12-06, 02:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Which monsters have the highest raw ability scores?
...because what is more charismatic than a giant cloud-like worm?
I'd actually forgotten this thing exists. I recently finished the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant. This would be a decent stand in for the Worm at Worlds End.My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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2021-12-06, 03:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Which monsters have the highest raw ability scores?
It's so silly. It has no Cha skills, no Cha-based save DCs...it only has the Cha to AC (Deflection) thing that's part of being incorporeal. That's literally the only reason Cha is so high, to get Touch AC up high on a Colossal creature. Not even regular AC, just touch AC, since regular AC is **** for its CR.
Great Wyrm Dragon? Cha 33 max.
Fae master of the hunt? Cha 35.
Aphrodite herself? Cha 47.
Some ****ing worm cloud, Cha 42.Last edited by AvatarVecna; 2021-12-06 at 03:28 PM.
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2021-12-06, 03:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Which monsters have the highest raw ability scores?
Yeah, I feel like they should have just given it some arbitrary deflection bonus, like they did with Will-O'-Wisp, rather than inflating it's Cha...
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2021-12-07, 11:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Which monsters have the highest raw ability scores?
Gravewyrm: 42/50/44/33/38/56
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2021-12-07, 02:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Which monsters have the highest raw ability scores?
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