OOTS #1250 - The Discussion Thread

[Frozenstep]

Belkar trying to deescalate the situation. You love to see it.

So, one vial is weeks of memories? So the whole cauldron might wipe out all the memories from your entire life? That's basically a form of dying, everything you are would be wiped away. Whatever that comes next isn't really you.

So with that said, is this how "Belkar" draws his last breath?

[Peelee]

Inb4 everybody with the crazy theory that Serini IS indeed related to Belkar, but per her own admission, she has forgotten about him but remembers he forgot about this critical piece of information.

I would like to propose the theory that Serini IS indeed related to Belkar, but per her own admission, she has forgotten about him but remembers he forgot about this critical piece of information.

Belkar trying to deescalate the situation. You love to see it.

So, one vial is weeks of memories? So the whole cauldron might wipe out all the memories from your entire life? That's basically a form of dying, everything you are would be wiped away. Whatever that comes next isn't really you.

So with that said, is this how "Belkar" draws his last breath?

No.

[Zonkerbl]

For those of us who are not perfectly familiar with English idioms, what's the meaning of this one ?

There was a popular tv show in the seventies called "Happy Days" that went on for muuuuuuuuuch longer than it really should have. Looking back on the show, many fans speculated that the official downturn point of the show was an episode where the main character, Fonzie, does a daring water ski jump over a shark. This actually happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahxG3iPeVcU

So now "a tv show that went on so long that the writers ran out of good ideas for it" is one that has "jumped the shark."

Like Supernatural.

[Rad]

AWESOME

It's really nice to see the competent side of OotS. Also I think this is a nice play because the readers do care a lot about Serini's memories, more than the Order does.
If you think about it, the priorities of the Order do not align with those of the readership. Like, sneaking on Xykon in the teleport-trap passageway and killing him in the surprise round? that would be great for the Order, and a bummer for us!

[SlashDash]

Serini's bluff is just too weird here. Of course it would be a useless bluff.
I thought the same as Haley, they didn't count on her having any info in the first place, not to mention, who says they can't find a way to undo the potion?

If Serini's bluff should have been "I lose my memories, I can't stop all my monster friends from killing you" would have been far more to the point.



Also, Lien could have summoned her shark all this time?!?
I guess it's official we can confirm O-Chul doesn't have one (yet) cause if he could bring a horse or something, it sure as heck would have been useful now.

[The MunchKING]

What I find interesting she has switched him over to a Dive Ball by now.

[Timy]

It comes from an episode of Happy Days where one of the characters, while riding a motorcycle, jumped over a water tank with a shark in it. That episide is largely seen as a definitive point where the show was more bad than good, so "jumping the shark" as a phrase was born.

Thanks for the explanation !

[Frozenstep]

AWESOME

It's really nice to see the competent side of OotS. Also I think this is a nice play because the readers do care a lot about Serini's memories, more than the Order does.
If you think about it, the priorities of the Order do not align with those of the readership. Like, sneaking on Xykon in the teleport-trap passageway and killing him in the surprise round? that would be great for the Order, and a bummer for us!

I mean, Serini's memories would be handy, but as a not-so-wise man once said, power I can't access is no power at all.

[danielxcutter]

Serini's bluff is just too weird here. Of course it would be a useless bluff.
I thought the same as Haley, they didn't count on her having any info in the first place, not to mention, who says they can't find a way to undo the potion?

If Serini's bluff should have been "I lose my memories, I can't stop all my monster friends from killing you" would have been far more to the point.



Also, Lien could have summoned her shark all this time?!?
I guess it's official we can confirm O-Chul doesn't have one (yet) cause if he could bring a horse or something, it sure as heck would have been useful now.

That's mostly because she's convinced that the Order and the paladins want to get to the Gate and destroy the world so Xykon can't take over, which is pretty dumb on multiple levels.

[gnomish dwelf]

poor Razor is going to end having alzheimers after diving in, but let's be real, a shark jumping you is better than you jumping the shark

[Gift Jeraff]

I wonder if the baldies and blondies will drop in soon.

[Grey Watcher]

"Surrender, or I'll leave you blindly stumbling around without a clue!"

"Lady, that's how this group has done most of its best work."

[Frozenstep]

"Surrender, or I'll leave you blindly stumbling around without a clue!"

"Lady, that's how this group has done most of its best work."

"I mean, have you met Elan?"

[Yxylu]

This is the first time we have seen Razor in over 12 years. He last showed up at the end of book four, in August of 2009.

Unless you count the wallpaper “Beach Party” from the end of August 2013.

[Bacon Elemental]

Any day with Lien being cool is a good day.


Also I cant help but notice that flying V actually did go feet-on-the-floor when Serini demanded it, the only member of the group who did any of her demands.

[Fyraltari]

Also, Lien could have summoned her shark all this time?!?

Razor can't move outside of the water, so they're only use here is as a distraction. Which would be useless without somebody else in the room not wearing shackles to take advantage of it.

[Metastachydium]

Summon bigger fish!

[Draconi Redfir]

i feel like throwing a giant shark at a cauldron of memory-erasure-juice might be a bad thing?

[littlebum2002]

There was a popular tv show in the seventies called "Happy Days" that went on for muuuuuuuuuch longer than it really should have. Looking back on the show, many fans speculated that the official downturn point of the show was an episode where the main character, Fonzie, does a daring water ski jump over a shark. This actually happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahxG3iPeVcU

So now "a tv show that went on so long that the writers ran out of good ideas for it" is one that has "jumped the shark."

Like Supernatural.

Or, probably most famously, the Simpsons

[Metastachydium]

i feel like throwing a giant shark at a cauldron of memory-erasure-juice might be a bad thing?

At any rate, it was the cool thing to do, so it had to be done.

[danielxcutter]

Or, probably most famously, the Simpsons

I'd like to recommend what Yahtzee of Zero Punctuation had to say about it, but it's not exactly within the forum rules(or really, Zero Punctuation in general) so I'm going to just leave it at that.

Note that I don't actually know that much about it but from what I have heard it sounds about right.

[gnomish dwelf]

i feel like throwing a giant shark at a cauldron of memory-erasure-juice might be a bad thing?

I feel you, I totally agree... and for those that think Lien is shackled... its obvious he finally freed himself.

[Peelee]

I feel you, I totally agree... and for those that think Lien is shackled... its obvious he finally freed himself.

Lien is a she.

[npc revolution]

That's mostly because she's convinced that the Order and the paladins want to get to the Gate and destroy the world so Xykon can't take over, which is pretty dumb on multiple levels.

I read it as her not trusting the Order and Paladins not to mess it up somehow. Their flaw in her eyes is their willingness to risk it all to win.

[gnomish dwelf]

Lien is a she.

I am not sure if I made a typo twice or if I wasn't aware of Lien's sex... I was just using Lien as pieceholder for kewl-paladin-that-jumped-a-shark-at-the-problem

[Hurkyl]

Okay, so apparently Serini thinks she has information the Order would want to have. The Order have no such expectation.

I beg to differ:

Come on, we can't let her escape! She probably knows plot stuff we need to know.

[Peelee]

I beg to differ:

Aye, it's just a bluff-off.

[Reboot]

i feel like throwing a giant shark at a cauldron of memory-erasure-juice might be a bad thing?

Eh, the Rogues have evasion up the wazoo, V is flying and the paladins are in the wrong direction. That doesn't leave anyone, right :p

[Metastachydium]

Aye, it's just a bluff-off.

Mainly just a bluff-off. Hurkyl's of course right in pointing out that they'd rather get to hear what Serini might have to say, but I'd guess that letting her run free or, worse yet, surrendering to be drugged and flung away from the Tomb is not really something they'd choose over potentially missing out on some exposition they never really expected to get until about a few minutes ago.

Eh, the Rogues have evasion up the wazoo, V is flying and the paladins are in the wrong direction. That doesn't leave anyone, right :p

Well, Belkar explicitly does have Evasion. He's just pretty bad at using it.

[gnomish dwelf]

Eh, the Rogues have evasion up the wazoo, V is flying and the paladins are in the wrong direction. That doesn't leave anyone, right :p

the splash can move backwards after falling forwards...