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Re: Simple RAW Thread for 3.5 #37: 3d12+1
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How would the Multitasking feat work in 3.5e? Does it let the user make additional standard/move actions that involve the use of a pair of arms in general as well as the explicitly stated options - such as a marilith(or a similar monster like the Cathezar) using it to cast three SLAs per round?Cool elan Illithid Slayer by linkele.
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Re: Simple RAW Thread for 3.5 #37: 3d12+1
A 72 Hard to say by RAW, but the wording of the feat is pretty general, so something along the lines of "you can take an additional move or standard action for each of your additional pair of arms. This action must be performed using only these arms and not necessitate concentration. Thus, you can attack with one of your pair of arms and cast a spell with the other, but not cast two spells with a verbal component, since pronouncing the incantation is not performed with your arms."
Most SLAs are purely mental actions and are not performed with your arms, so I'd say they can't be used that way. You'll notice the feat mentions using a spell or a magic item only in conjunction with attacking, not in conjunction with another spell. The additional actions are more in the realm of "attack, perform a combat maneuver, throw an aspersion weapon or a bag of marbles, pull a nearby lever ...", maybe with something explicitly channeled by touch, like Lay on Hands or something like that.Resurrecting the Negative LA thread, comments and discussion are very welcome!
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Re: Simple RAW Thread for 3.5 #37: 3d12+1
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Re: Simple RAW Thread for 3.5 #37: 3d12+1
Q73 Can an arcane caster (other than sorc/wizard) get a spell permanently cast on them by if they've hired a sorc/wiz to cast the Permanency afterwards?
Like a Bard casting Tongues or Duskblade casting Detect Magic and a wizard then casting Permanency?Last edited by Cygnia; 2022-02-10 at 01:25 PM.
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Re: Simple RAW Thread for 3.5 #37: 3d12+1
A 73 I don't have a citation, but I'm 99% sure that magic items can be made using several contributors. I'd assume that this is like that, and yes if both casters are present, it can be done.
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How does Divine Defiance work? Does it cost a standard action, or whatever casting time the spell has?
If the cleric has already used their standard, is Divine Defiance an option? Wassup?
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Re: Simple RAW Thread for 3.5 #37: 3d12+1
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Re: Simple RAW Thread for 3.5 #37: 3d12+1
I don't get it. I mean, i think i get it, but am not sure.
I believe that, the counterspell/dispel must still be cast; in case of dispel magic, as a readied standard action. Can someone ready a swift action? Or does a readied swift spell take a standard action?
What if a cleric has already used their standard action this round? Can Divine Defiance be used, thereby sacrificing the next rounds standard action?
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Re: Simple RAW Thread for 3.5 #37: 3d12+1
Well, that's what i hoped you would say, if I'm hearing you correctly ...
With Divine Defiance, a cleric just burns the TU, and burns the Dispel Magic/etc, ... and still gets their swift, move, and standard actions? Do they even change initiative order, or isn't that also unneeded?
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Re: Simple RAW Thread for 3.5 #37: 3d12+1
It's exactly the same as any other immediate action. You can find the rules for immediate actions here.
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Re: Simple RAW Thread for 3.5 #37: 3d12+1
Yes, you burn the turn/rebuke attempt, burn the dispel magic/etc, use your immediate for the round (which precludes you taking a swift: you can take either an immediate or a swift each round, not both) and then get whatever other actions you are normally entitled to. You do not change your initiative order.
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Does tenser's transformation (or any other similar effect) break the epic cap on BAB and iteratives?Screaming defiance with the last breath
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Re: Simple RAW Thread for 3.5 #37: 3d12+1
A 75 Yes, it does. The same way epic monsters do, you have BAB higher than 20 but only 4 attacks. Note that "Any time feat, prestige class, or other rule refers to your base attack bonus (except for gaining additional attacks), use the sum of your base attack bonus and epic attack bonus.", so this new BAB overrides your epic attack bonus. A Tenser-transformed wizard 30 would thus have +30/+25/+20/+15 to hit.
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A 75 contention Possible contention here. I don’t have one so I can’t prove it but apparently some later printings if the PHB cap it at 20. The change didn’t make it into the SRD. I can’t prove this but it’s something to keep in mind
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Re: Simple RAW Thread for 3.5 #37: 3d12+1
Depending on the wording, that might not make any sense for epic monsters, and would definitely make no sense considering the "all mentions of BAB use the sum of BAB and EAB instead". I believe the best course of action is to ignore that rule in an epic environment. Or are you saying that Tenser's transformation and/or Divine Power cap at CL 20?
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Maybe not technically a RAW question, but probably not worth its own thread: Duergar get SLAs (Enlarge Person & Invisibility), with a CL = 2x their class levels.
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Another monster question - if the Half-Dragon template is applied to a mindless vermin, I assume Int remains as a non-ability, meaning it would be of the Dragon type with Int --.
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Re: Simple RAW Thread for 3.5 #37: 3d12+1
A 77 (additional) The above answer is correct, but a little elaboration on why. Null intelligence plus or minus anything is still null, since ø+ or - anything is still ø since it's not 0. It lacks any text that says "int is at least 3" such as the fiendish template, so does not rubberband intelligence up to 2.
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A) Beyond the 50% miss chance linked to incorporeality, there is nothing preventing the use of a touch spell on an incorporeal creature, right? (Meaning, touch spells are considered ordinary magical attacks...)
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A 78a Yes.
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Re: Simple RAW Thread for 3.5 #37: 3d12+1
Q 79 a the feat Silver Tongue from Dragon 318 has this text in two of its bullet points.
Inspire hope or despair: With a successful diplomacy check against DC 25, you can fill a single creature with hope or despair as if affected by the good hope or crushing despair spells.
Cause Confusion: Make a diplomacy check apposed by your targets sense motive check. If you beat their check by 10 or more, you can cause them to become confused for 1 round.
Is this a spell like, supernatural, or exceptional ability and is it effected by spell resistance or mind effecting immunity?
Q 79 b What is the duration for Inspire hope or despair? I assume is the same as the spell treating your character level as the caster level but i’m not sure.
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The Dungeon Lord PrC has some racial entry reqs - Undead qualify. One of it's abilities, Horde Lord, says the following: "Your allies gain a +1 bonus on attack rolls and damage rolls while you live and they are within the dungeon." (bolding mine).
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I think yes. Or Dungeon Lord should be resurected to take benefit.If you could make anything and everything welcome to the Zinc Saucier XLV: Figaro
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Re: Simple RAW Thread for 3.5 #37: 3d12+1
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Re: Simple RAW Thread for 3.5 #37: 3d12+1
The issue in this case is that the spell has a duration based on caster level, and the feat does not specify what your caster level is for the effect.
Monster Manual mentions in the rules for spell-like abilities that "If no caster level is specified, the caster level is equal to the creature's Hit Dice." Supernatural abilities follow a similar rule, defaulting to CL = HD unless otherwise specified.
No default caster level is given for extraordinary abilities, though, since they don't typically replicate spell effects. But, it's probably safe to fall back on the same rule in this case.Last edited by Vaern; 2022-02-16 at 06:34 PM.
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