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2007-11-20, 11:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Damage Mitigation Order
Sup gang,
I have a quick question for the panel. or not so quick since I'm not sure this is addressed in the rules anywhere.
Say you have different effects that reduce damage. Which effects happen first.
For instance. Say you're trying to damage a wooden object like a door with a fire breath weapon.
-The door has hardness 5 which will reduce damage by 5.
-Wooden doors also take half damage from fire based attacks.
If you rolled up 20 damage on the dice, which happens first?
Do you half the damage and then apply hardness. Thus producing 5 damage?
Or do you apply hardness and cut the remaining damage in half, doing 7?Custom Avatar By: "The Chilli God"
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2007-11-20, 11:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Damage Mitigation Order
Divide by 2 first, then apply hardness. It is in the SRD.
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2007-11-20, 11:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Damage Mitigation Order
Thanks.
That's how I was doing it. Just wanted to make sure.Custom Avatar By: "The Chilli God"
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2007-11-20, 11:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Damage Mitigation Order
Generally they are applied in the order that is most beneficial to the object or creature possessing the damage modifying effects, abilities or traits if no order of application is provided in their description.
This was clarified in the FAQ in an entry about saves, vulnerability and resistance to fire IIRC.
Your case is, however, explicitly covered by the rules.
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2007-11-20, 12:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Damage Mitigation Order
I would argue that fire damage deals full if not double damage to wooden objects, personally, though.
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2007-11-20, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Damage Mitigation Order
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2007-11-20, 01:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-11-20, 02:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Damage Mitigation Order
Indeed.
Originally Posted by FAQ
Conveniently in this case, the rules also happen to specify the order most beneficial to the object.
For reference, the most beneficial order for varying damage effects (assuming you want minimum damage) is generally either:- Linear increases, then percentage decreases, then linear decreases, then percentage increases; or
- Percentage decreases, then linear decreases, then percentage increases, then linear increases.
Last edited by Jasdoif; 2007-11-20 at 03:38 PM. Reason: Whoops, guess there's an alternative order too....
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2007-11-20, 03:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Damage Mitigation Order
So then a barbarian with DR 3/- and Protection from Acid who took 8 acid damage would have 3 points negated by his own DR and 5 by the spell (since the spell runs out after a certain amount has been absorbed)?
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2007-11-20, 03:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Damage Mitigation Order
DR doesn't apply here, DR never protects against energy damage.
In general such an arrangement would would work, however; if you had natural acid resistance and an active protection from energy spell keyed to acid, you'd apply your acid resistance to reduce the damage first, because that's the most beneficial order to apply them in. Note that this doesn't work if your acid resistance comes from the resist energy spell, as the order of application for resist energy and protection from energy is explicitly called out: the protection effect works until exhausted, then resist energy can work.FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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