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    Default A Furry situation.

    My GF is brewing up her first campaign, and is making a mercenary group of NPCs. This group is entirely made of anthro animals. We have catfolk, aradan(mice), and kuo-toa(fish). we are having trouble finding a race for dogs, rabbits, and frogs. Trying to avoid the savage species solution. any help would be appreciated.

    edit: we considered hound archon, but too much LA+HD

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    Marruspawn (Sandstorm) are some of my favorite dog-like races, the marrulurk especially is a tiny jackal man.

    Lupin (Dragon Compendium) are another dog-like race.

    Bullywugs (Monsters of Faerun) are the classic frog men race, but they might not be froggy enough for you.

    Rabbits are the most difficult, since there aren't many rabbit-like races in D&D 3.5. What kind of thing were you hoping for? Cowardice? Speed? Jumping ability?

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    Rabbits aren't particularly cowardly, but the aesthetic matters most

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    Refluffing (heh) is always an option. So take a marrulurk and say it's a rabbit assassin race.

    Kobolds are like lizard/dog/humanoid crossbreeds. And grippli (Dragon #324) are brightly colored poison tree frog-men, just as neraphs are toad-man outsiders.
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    Gnolls are hyena people, so that covers canine.

    Edit: Also, I've always seen kuo-toa as more frog-people based on their picture in the monster manual and their sticky skin, wheras Sahuagin are more fish people due to having fins all over their body. There's also the Bullywug as a frog-like race too.
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    Default Re: A Furry situation.

    Grippli (dragon magazine #324) are a possible choice for frog folk.

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    Hare hengeyokai from Oriental Adventures, in their hybrid form, might be your only non homebrew/refluffed option for a rabbit race.
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    Despite it's related to Savage Species (Web Enhancement) - Laika is 1 HD and LA +0

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    Over on the Pathfinder 1e side, Grippli is fully written up as a PC-worthy species. They're brightly colored treefrog people, smaller than halflings and gnomes, so they may or may not serve the role your DM has in mind for in her merc group.

    But since your GM is making a tightly focused NPC group rather than trying to worldbuild whole societies (for now, at least), I would focus less on the races as a whole and more on designing memorable individuals. What would be cool signature moves for surprises for that rabbitfolk assassin to be able to pull, and how would their personality play with or against the players' expectation of rabbits? If the players find these NPCs fun and engaging, then the GM can start to think about questions like "Is that crazy standing high jump trick specific to Conie, or can all her people do that?"
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    But hyenas are more closely related to felines than canids so [etc.]

    Monsters of Faerun also featured the Siv, a separate humanoid froglike race.

    Web enhancement wise, there's the O'bati.

    If you want to get crazier there's always the Mud Slaad from Fiend Folio (maybe take away the summon and make them MH instead of Outsider).
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    Speaking of sivs - there is also Ba'traa template

    Also, Moreau from d20 Modern have canine variant

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    Cheating a bit, but there's always Shifters (several Eberron books, MMV), aka the Weretouched. Mostly humanoid by default, they become more animalistic a couple of times per day, complete with stat boosts and a natural weapon or movement option depending on what type of Lycanthrope (or in some cases other voluntary shapeshifter like Druid) they're descended from.

    The real advantage, though, is that they've got a lot of support compared to most of the other furry races. Too many feats to name here (anything with the [Shifter] tag also increases the uses/day and duration of your shifting), cool alternate class features (for Druid, Ranger, and Wilder), and prestige classes exclusive to shifters (Moonspeaker, Weretouched Master) or playing off being a Shifter (Bloodclaw Master, Warshaper). There's actually a whole handbook for it.

    So while in theory you might be less animalistic than other races, you'd be able to lean into it mechanically a lot better.
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    Neraphim (PlH) are pretty froggy.

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    Another option for dogs/wolves are PF's Rougarou. You can also do Skinwalkers and play up the animal features since they can stay in hybrid form indefinitely, which gives you a ton more options (bats, crocodiles, boars etc.)

    For rabbits, you can convert 5e's Harengon back to 3.5/PF without too much trouble.
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    Anthro animals in 3.5e and PF that you can generally get to a balanced LA+0 3.5 type power level with only minor tweaking:

    Grippli
    Hadozee
    Kenku (including PF Tengu)
    Lupin
    Faun
    Nezumi (Including PF Ratfolk)
    Phanaton
    Raptoran
    Tibbit
    Tortle
    Vanara
    Hengeyokai (including PF Kitsune, also check the PF Hengeyokai writeup for options that look more animalistic in normal form)
    Catfolk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavinfoxx View Post
    Anthro animals in 3.5e and PF that you can generally get to a balanced LA+0 3.5 type power level with only minor tweaking:

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    Tibbit
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    Afaik tibbit lack a hybrid form, they're either humanoid (of the monstrous variety no less), or feline, they have no in between.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crake View Post
    Afaik tibbit lack a hybrid form, they're either humanoid (of the monstrous variety no less), or feline, they have no in between.
    Look up some Tibbit fanart sometime. Much of it flavors their bipedal form as the catfolk version of halflings. The look of the humanoid form isn't clearly defined in the source material...

    Aside from someone's blue cat-rabbit fursona named Tibbit I mean. The actual d&d inspired stuff. It ranges from vaguely feline facial features halflings to nekomimi type halflings to catfolk anthro halflings.

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    Wildren from Planar Handbook are badger-dwarves with a +1 LA. It's a shame that Goatfolk have 3 RHD, otherwise they'd be decent enough for a +1 LA race. I'm not even certain why they have the hd, their abilities don't seem strong for +1 LA by itself.

    For a "kinda-furry" race, see Darfellan, which are basically walking Orca Whales.

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    Now I'm curious, does 3.5 have a mole-person race?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Glyphstone View Post
    Now I'm curious, does 3.5 have a mole-person race?
    AFAIK, the only mole-anything in the 3.X are Brain Mole and Urdlen

    Monsters of Faerûn have Groundlings, but they're more "badgers" (or "groundhogs") than "moles"

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    The closest to a mole-person I know of is the Armand, but they're more like an armadillo/mole mix (at least in appearance). Mechanically, they're almost certainly armadillos (it's kinda hard to tell with that art tbh).

    P.S. 3.5, and PF to a greater extent, isn't really helpful towards people that want to play furry herbivorous races. Pathfinder's especially bad in that way, with all of their furry races being omnivorous or carnivorous, tending towards the latter. 3.5 at least had herbivorous hengeyokai options in addition to their multitude of monstrous race options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildstag View Post
    The closest to a mole-person I know of is the Armand, but they're more like an armadillo/mole mix (at least in appearance). Mechanically, they're almost certainly armadillos (it's kinda hard to tell with that art tbh).

    P.S. 3.5, and PF to a greater extent, isn't really helpful towards people that want to play furry herbivorous races. Pathfinder's especially bad in that way, with all of their furry races being omnivorous or carnivorous, tending towards the latter. 3.5 at least had herbivorous hengeyokai options in addition to their multitude of monstrous race options.
    There's plenty of 3rd party PF stuff on D20PFSRD for rabbit folk or similar...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Glyphstone View Post
    Now I'm curious, does 3.5 have a mole-person race?
    Gnomes. :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khazreil View Post
    My GF is brewing up her first campaign, and is making a mercenary group of NPCs. This group is entirely made of anthro animals. We have catfolk, aradan(mice), and kuo-toa(fish). we are having trouble finding a race for dogs, rabbits, and frogs. Trying to avoid the savage species solution. any help would be appreciated.

    edit: we considered hound archon, but too much LA+HD
    Um ... I notice nobody's pointed out the obvious, that being: these are NPCs. Level Adjustment is only relevant for PCs. DMs only have to calculate off CR, if anything (and eyeball it on the four crucials of attack bonus, damage, AC, and special ability DCs). LA can be freely ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildstag View Post
    For a "kinda-furry" race, see Darfellan, which are basically walking Orca Whales.
    Now I want to know if there's a baleen whale based race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tag365 View Post
    Now I want to know if there's a baleen whale based race.
    That would make quite a splash if there were. But I don't think there is one, so I guess whale never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troacctid View Post
    That would make quite a splash if there were. But I don't think there is one, so I guess whale never know.
    No need to keep harpoon on about it.

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    Anthropomorphic Baleen Whale, Savage Species pg #215. That said, most of the Anthropomorphic Animals (there's a big list!) in Savage Species are... very low effort in their stats, let's say. I wouldn't use it as anything other than a starting point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavinfoxx View Post
    Anthropomorphic Baleen Whale, Savage Species pg #215.
    I already own that book and know that race exists. So, do you know of any baleen whale races that aren't baleen whales with the anthropomorphic template applied, aka, something other than the Anthropomorphic Baleen Whale?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tag365 View Post
    I already own that book and know that race exists. So, do you know of any baleen whale races that aren't baleen whales with the anthropomorphic template applied, aka, something other than the Anthropomorphic Baleen Whale?
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