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2022-01-09, 01:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
"Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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2022-01-09, 02:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
An Ally that wasn't insignificant, Sunny. The other 4 were barely good for surprise. They gave up as soon as Belkar poked them.
On the contrary, a bigger team with less stealth would be MORE vulnerable to scry-and-die.
the problem is we saw how well her ambush worked. She had a non-killer ally, and so she only managed to take out half the order. given that it's the half that died to Xykon and fled Redcloak acting with just Oona (before Xykon showed up)(EDIT: And Elan. He wasn't in either of those categories), her ambush skills wouldn't be what elevated them to Team Evil stomping.
Which is why she doesn't see them beating her as they can beat Xykon, let alone Team Evil."Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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2022-01-09, 03:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
I really like that while O'Chul never has any intention of being snarky, he still manages to deliver
To be fair, in at least one language I know, a literal translation of "getting one's beak* wet'' does, idiomatically, mean ''having a sexual intercourse''.
* well, diminutive of beak, but that is beside the point.There must be some sense of order - personal, political or dramatic - and if no one else is going to bring it to this world, I will.
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2022-01-09, 04:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-01-09, 05:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
I suspect that, in English, any such diminutive might change the meaning, but my unfamiliarity with other languages means I don't want to belabor the point in any case.
But even putting aside idioms and all, let's look at the logic behind the conclusion: Even if Serini, who has repeatedly described herself as an old woman and is half-troll now, was the type to offer sex for betrayal, would she make that offer to someone who just compared her to his grandmother?
That was what I was thinking of, and I even found that post, but somehow I just failed to process that the paragraph I was looking for was in that post.
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2022-01-09, 05:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
That "some of them" is actually just Loki, isn't it? I'm not sure if Thor discussed it on panel, so a refresher would be appreciated. Hel seemed to imply the Snarl getting the souls before it can be imprisoned was the usual outcome, which even allowing for angry hyperbole is not super reassuring, and if it was completely safe there's no reason why gods like Heimdall would vote to demolish the world now (although an argument could be made that Heimdall's reasoning still applies if the chances are very small, but not zero).
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2022-01-09, 05:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
I think Loki is the only one who expressly says it, yes. Thor says sometimes they succeeded at cashing out the souls and sometimes they didn't. Beyond that, I'm extrapolating from a)the number of "yes" votes, given the importance of souls, seeming to suggest confidence in the possibility, and b)the fact that they've done this millions (billions?) of times before. I infer they've gotten better at it as they've gone along, although I don't have hard evidence for that.
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2022-01-09, 05:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
I imagine that outburst was partly on the lines of "if we don't pull the plug ourselves it's going to break out" rather than usually or even often losing all the souls. And it feels like his argument was more "it's better to unmake the world now, instead of risking the mortals' souls being lost" rather than outright "if we don't pull it right now the Snarl will be guaranteed to eat them all". Hel's gloating also implies that he would have changed his vote in a heartbeat once her plans were revealed, which implies that he considers waiting to see if the Order can take out Xykon more acceptable than the guaranteed damning of an entire race(and bloating Hel's power with their souls).
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2022-01-09, 09:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
Yeah. The phrase is an offering of money, corruption. From organized crime. As seen in The Free Dictionary . But we don't need a dictionary to know what's being offered. Look at Belkar's reactions. A person receiving a sexual proposition can react in any number of ways. Especially someone like Belkar, who has demonstrated his willingness to engage with bards in Haley's hometown and hookers everywhere. They can be intrigued, or embarrassed, or become extremely angry, or disgusted. Belkar's doing none of those things. He's just brushing it off. That doesn't fit with Belkar's character at all. Ergo, it's not a sexual proposition he's receiving.
Not to mention, a person who's in an advanced age category with so much physical damage, including half-troll features, has to be sporting a whopping negative charisma modifier on any diplomacy or bribery check to a human character. And why exactly would Belkar betray his team for something that he's had no problems finding on the trip? I don't know what the going rate is for a night's entertainment in D&D world, but it must be trivial for a character at Belkar's wealth-by-level.
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2022-01-09, 09:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
Remember Nanny Ogg? Old age CAN come together with sexuality.
Belkar compares Serini to grandmother, but she doesn't treat him as grandchild.
And how she winks to Belkar... no, I wouldn't think of money, if I didn't see this on forum.
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2022-01-09, 09:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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High stakes negotiations amongst thieves can get really weird.
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2022-01-09, 10:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
Eeeerm... The Order was going to attack Serini being 7, and was that exact moment when Serini started her ambush.
So Serini knows that the Order think they could beat Xykon without the paladins and anyone else to help... And I doubt hard they could
Just Loki, and as an argument to don't blow the world cause they have that thing with the purple color and that. I don't trust that to be a truth, maybe they could save some souls, but most of them would be erased. Thor said they "saved" some of the worlds destroying them.and saving the souls, but others don't, so is hardly implied that if the Snarl is free they can't save all the souls.Last edited by Vikenlugaid; 2022-01-09 at 11:05 AM.
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2022-01-09, 12:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
That we have seen. She has some monsters that make Team Evil need to go take a nap after beating them. I've been assuming she doesn't have direct control of all of the creatures in the dungeon or she would have just opened every door and buried team evil under monster, but there's really no telling what she has at her disposal. To me her fatal flaw is that she has misjudged the relative strength of both the Order, and Team Evil.
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2022-01-09, 12:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
Fun synchronicity: I was just listening to a podcast about Frank Sinatra and the Rat Pack, and the phrase "Get your beak wet" was used to refer to mobsters' practice of skimming profits off the top of the casinos before any official accounting, and how Sinatra learned from them how to do the same on his tours.
Now I'm totally imagining Serini listening to Dean Martin when she's relaxing.Some people think that Chaotic Neutral is the alignment of the insane, but the enlightened know that Chaotic Neutral is the only alignment without illusions of sanity.
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2022-01-09, 03:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
Personally I thought "jingle jangle" was a euphemism for liquor and the beak wettening would have been literal that way.
As for the Serini-Belkar connection, I think it'd make for a few interesting jokes if it turns out Serini knew of Granny Bitterleaf as an acquaintance and hated her guts.Last edited by RatElemental; 2022-01-09 at 03:30 PM.
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2022-01-09, 03:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
Yup. It's not like Mimi blocked the path of a retreat that would have effortlessly negated Serini's entire strategy for the ambush. It's also not like Franklin broke the grapple on her and the lurker absolutely didn't buy her enough time to safely withdraw into her den.
Seriously, the only monster she deployed that wasn't incredibly efficient for its CR was the trapper. That said, yes, they weren't the key factor. Home terrain and the element of surprise were and Team Evil would have had pretty much the opposite of that. Also, don't get me wrong: I was among the first posters that called the "ambush Team Evil at the entrance" idea a questionable move, but let's not misrepresent the numbers/factors involved.
So… You also think Belkar might be a birdy?
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2022-01-09, 04:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-01-09, 04:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
I'd been slow to think of the sharks in acid, but then immediately thought of the lava-breathing sharks Xykon was contemplating. (Did they actually give those a go?)
It reminded me of the phrase "dip your bread", which I have heard used with sexual connotations on occasion, but I didn't think that would fit the context given here.Last edited by Dewin Dwl; 2022-01-09 at 04:29 PM.
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2022-01-09, 06:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
Serini: "Belker... I am your Grandma."
Belkar: "No your not."
Serini: "Eh I knew it was a long shot."
Belkar: "Do I look stupid to you?"
Everyone Else: "Yes"Nale is no more, he has ceased to be, his hit points have dropped to negative ten, all he was is now dust in the wind, he is not Daniel Jackson dead, he is not Kenny dead, he is final dead, he will not pass through death's revolving door, his fate will not be undone because the executives renewed his show for another season. His time had run out, his string of fate has been cut, the blood on the knife has been wiped. He is an Ex-Nale! Now can we please resume watching the Order save the world.
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2022-01-09, 09:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-01-09, 10:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
Dogs have family; cats have staff.
A thought: Serini's monster allies, while not useless, would not give Team Evil scars and Xykon XP as seen here. Therefore, whatever the process is/was for stocking the dungeons, she either can't do it any longer, or can't control monsters of that level on her own. The monsters in the dungeons are not her servants.
If Serini could somehow bring all the monsters from two or three dungeons out to attack Team Evil at once, that would be enough to overwhelm them. Therefore, she can't, that would be severely anticlimactic. In fact, she probably can't travel into her own dungeons any longer.This ... is my signature finishing move!
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2022-01-09, 10:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-01-09, 10:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-01-10, 12:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
Dat **** punt doe.
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2022-01-10, 01:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
You know, instead of a dog or a cat, you could have a picture of a dog or a cat.
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2022-01-10, 02:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
The conversation was all in the present tense, so comparing the relative numbers at this point.
But if we compare the numbers at the point before Serini attacked the Order, then the Order outnumbered Team Evil 7 to 4 (or 6 to 3 if you remove MitD and V).
So Serini knows that the Order think they could beat Xykon without the paladins and anyone else to help... And I doubt hard they could
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2022-01-10, 03:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
Nah I don't think those are the right points, why should she believe them? She will think is a lie since the paladins didn't even mention that.
I think Durkon telling her about the thing with Redcloak, the monster races and that should be a bettee shot with Serini.
When? That time when Xykon only casted magic missil, and Redcloak did nothing at all, cause the comic wasn't intended to have a complex plot?
Do you think that, in tge final battle, Xykon will just cast magic missil again and Redcloak will stay just watching?Last edited by Vikenlugaid; 2022-01-10 at 08:49 AM.
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2022-01-10, 08:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
New strip. Wicked.
I liked the joke of Serini acting similar to Grandma Bitterleaf, but I genuinely hope she and Belkar not related because the last thing I think this story needs is that sort of twist.
(The tragic backstory: Serini became misanthropic because her family ditched her at the nursing home.)Last edited by Robots; 2022-01-10 at 08:49 AM.
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2022-01-10, 09:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-01-10, 10:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1251 - The Discussion Thread
I completely missed any hint of sexual inuendo. Jingle jingle was obviously a reference to a pouch full of coins and wet your beak was obviously a bribe.
I can see how the present generation would miss the coin reference because plastic credit cards don't jingle. And of course, anything on the internet that you don't understand is sexual innuendo.
So I suppose I should have instantly assumed that Granny Bitterleaf was soliciting Belkar with sexual favors. It's so obvious now that I think of it.