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2022-01-13, 08:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Everyone has every spell. Survive.
Iirc according to Manual of the Planes you can only planeshift into a demiplane from a point where it's coterminous to whatever plane you're trying to enter from.
For Genesis that's the Ethereal for the spell version. The Ethereal is infinite, largely featureless, filled with ghosts and not entirely coterminous to the material.
The area your demiplane is coterminous to is a 180ft radius per casting of the spell.
Also Plane Shift is a teleportation spell and warding a demiplane with Forbiddance isn't exactly hard. The only thing that gets through that is Wish (which gets through everything).
But the main defence for people shifting into your demiplane is obscurity. It's extremely unlikely for someone to just stumble on it without prior knowledge of its existence.
Magnificent Mansion alone can be countered too easily - they may not be able to enter but the portal only becomes invisible - anyone with Arcane Sight, See Invis or a similar spell can target it with a dispel and drop you out. It's definitely the best comfort option though.Last edited by sleepyphoenixx; 2022-01-13 at 08:46 AM.
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2022-01-13, 08:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Everyone has every spell. Survive.
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2022-01-13, 08:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Whether or not it's possible to get into the various demiplanes and other hidaways, it does seem fairly unlikely that most people would spend time trying to do so. Unless you've made some serious personal enemies, people who've basically just become omnipotent probably have better things to do. (Though after the initial chaos has died down, probably along with the majority of people, it's probably likely that some of the remaining people might start looking for the competition).
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2022-01-13, 09:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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7 billion people, formed into countless different groups and factions and subgroups and splinter groups and.... I'm not afraid of an eenemy gunning for me, I'm afraid of being a casualty on the sidelines.
The Astral Winchester has two friendly people hanging out and is ready to welcome any more who wish to come.Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2022-01-13, 09:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-01-13, 10:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2022-01-13, 10:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-01-13, 10:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-01-13, 12:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Everyone has every spell. Survive.
There's no such thing as real "safety" because a properly-worded Wish can IIRC bring you anywhere, part any defense spells can create. Of course that requires someone to be targeting you (or some maniac to have an infinite number of Ice Assassins targeting every single living human, in which case you've already lost). If you don't have enemies, Magnificient Mansion seems sufficient - and if not, only Teleport Through Time could provide real safety.
IIRC you can make give yourself Lycanthropy with a spell. If there's a way to level-drain yourself with a spell (which is tricky - AFAIK all negative level spells don't make you lose actual levels, so you might have to create an Ice Assassin and have it Shapechange into the right creature before striking you), I think you can use Restoration to turn those HD into other levels.
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2022-01-13, 01:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Everyone has every spell. Survive.
Not going to work, unfortunately. Quicken spell doesn't do anything to spells with a casting time longer than a full-round action, and
genesis can only be cast on the Ethereal Plane.
Correction: Genesis says "A character can only cast this spell while on the Ethereal Plane." So if you're using an item to cast the spell, you can do it anywhere. And depending on what kind of item you use, you might be able to bypass the casting time as well.Last edited by InvisibleBison; 2022-01-13 at 01:57 PM.
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2022-01-13, 03:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-01-13, 05:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Huh. Depending on how you read the self-contradictions of the SRD, this should work:
- Wish for a Scroll of Genesis
- Loop your CL until it's high enough to cast the scroll with no failure chance (shouldn't take too long)
- Cast Genesis from the scroll as a standard action
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2022-01-13, 07:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-01-13, 08:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Everyone has every spell. Survive.
Hiding is a good idea, security through obscurity is a good idea (be too much trouble to hunt down when there are easier targets), but you'd still be vulnerable to stuff like a random relative accidentally casting e.g. 'I wish X were here with us' and bringing you back into the chaos, since that is explicitly one of the things wish can safely do. Not sure what's proof against that particular function other than having an unbeatable Will save and not failing on a 1, or having enough SR that it can't stick. So I guess the first thing to do is to figure out if there's something which can make you not be easy to refer to specifically enough that summoning you counts as a safe wish.
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2022-01-13, 08:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Everyone has every spell. Survive.
That's easily done. Immediately apply the God Blooded of Vecna template. All knowledge of you immediately fades from the world for everyone except you and Vecna. Proceed to dive into your pocket dimension / mansion / etc. Then you'd only be hit with effects that affect everyone everywhere, and if that sort of wish is possible, it's presumably also possible to wish that you aren't affected by those. It costs some LA, and requires you to undergo torture and lose all your facial features, but that's the cost of assured survival instead of RNG.
Edit: I take it back; there's a much more secure answer. Immediately use Greater Celerity, then Teleport Through Time to go back to before everyone had every spell.
Since archive.wizards is down right now...
Spoiler: The SpellTeleport Through Time
Transmutation [Teleportation]
Level: Sor/Wiz 9
Components: V, S, M, XP
Casting Time: 1 round
Range: Personal and touch
Target: The character and touched objects or other touched willing creatures weighing up to 50 lb./level
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: None and Will negates (object)
Spell Resistance: No and Yes (object)
A far more powerful version of the teleport spell, this spell instantly transports the character to the same location, but to a different time. Interplanar travel is not possible, and the spell fails on any plane where time is meaningless. The character can bring along objects and willing creatures totaling up to 50 pounds per caster level. Unwilling creatures cannot be affected by this spell. Only objects held or in use (attended) by another person receive saving throws and spell resistance.
To cast this spell, the character must be able to state the arrival time accurately, down to the minute. The spell never transports the caster and companions to the precise minute desired, but it cannot function at all without a specific minute in time to target. This "drift" effect of not arriving at the precise time desired grows with the "distance" through time (measured in years, months, and weeks) traveled. Thus, a caster teleporting to last month arrives closer to her goal than one traveling 250 years. The minimum temporal distance traveled is 1 day, so this spell is not useful for going back to the beginning of a melee that is still progressing.
This spell requires some knowledge of the destination time, so it cannot transport anyone into the future since the future is entirely unknown to the caster. Even spells that give knowledge of the future cannot give definite enough knowledge to allow this spell to work. It is possible to use this spell to travel forward in time, but only to the point in the caster's life when the caster first went back in time.
Since the caster may not know exactly what is transpiring at the destination time, prudent time-travelers prepare for the worst.
The errors in arrival for this spell occur in time rather than in location, since the character does not change locations at all. To see how closely the character arrives to the planned arrival time, consult this table.
Temporal Distance Travelled Temporal Drift* Chance of Mishap 1 day to 1 month +/- d8 minutes 5% 1 month to 1 year +/- d8 hours 7% 1 year to 10 years +/- d20 hours 10% 10 years to 100 years +/- d8 days 15% 100 years to 1,000 years +/- d20 days 20% 1,000 years + +/- d20 months 25%
* There is a 50% chance that the number is a negative number.
Add or subtract the temporal drift to the destination time to determine the exact time of arrival.
Mishaps result in the spell failing and the character taking 1 point of Intelligence damage for every 10 years of expected time travel due to the mental bombardment that time travel brings with it. Thus, a character trying to transport through 100 years would take 10 points of Intelligence damage. Intelligence can be reduced to 0 through this damage (but not lower).
In the case that a traveler meets himself, the two travelers instantly lose control and attack each other with every ability and item at their disposal. However, should a traveler die while traveling in the past, the traveler's body immediately vanishes from the point of time it traveled to and returns to the point where the spell was cast at the time that the spell was cast. In other words, if a traveler perishes in a fire, the instant that the traveler died in that fire is the instant in which the traveler is no longer in that time period, and the body is never found within that location since it returns to the moment of time in which the traveler finished the spell and began time traveling.
Special Note: The introduction of time travel into any campaign can be fraught with peril, so tread carefully. Players will wonder how much they can mess with the timeline, and you may run into instances of the grandfather paradox. Further, changes made very far back in time cannot really be worked out completely because of the chaotic aspect of events. Thus, it is simplest to use the rule that changes in time are minor and somehow time smooths them out. This argues for a determinism and predestination in the ways of your world, but you can say that once events have transpired, small perturbations are possible (this person lives rather than dies, but does not contribute to events in a meaningful way), but the large-scale events themselves somehow happen anyway. If the cause is changed, another cause comes along. In the case of someone killing their own grandfather, the PC might find that he is the same but has a different family when returning to the present. As long as you keep the knowledge of how to travel in time restricted, your campaign will not fall apart.
Material Components: The material components of this spell are a pinch of dead skin, a drop of oil of timelessness, and a flower grown in soil untouched by any intelligent creature since the desired destination time. The flower must be picked during the casting of the spell. Untouched soil is defined as soil that no creature with an Intelligence score of 3 or higher has walked on, touched, or disturbed in any way, and it is usually found in remote locations (putting soil in a portable container disturbs it). The caster does not know whether the soil has been disturbed too recently for the time travel attempt, and many wizards simply use trial and error to find suitable locations. In short, you must find a pristine area to cast this spell, then you travel back in time to the exact same location at which you cast the spell. Because important events in a character's life are highly unlikely to take place in pristine locales, it's unlikely you'll have the ability to use this spell to make two of yourself to appear in the same place at the same time. Once you cast the spell in a particular location, it is no longer pristine, making it even more difficult to arrange for three or more of your future selves to assemble together.
XP Cost: 1,000 XP.
Edit2: Since there's a finite amount of people in the world (probably fewer than there are days), even if everyone used Teleport Through Time simultaneously to go back in time, we still shouldn't land in the same year as anyone else, let alone the same month, given there's an infinite amount of years since the beginning of time. Additionally, we don't have to worry about folks going back further than use to lay a trap, as the spell declares how only minor changes in the timeline are possible, so any havoc they could wreak would be very, very limited in scope. This should, at the very least, buy you time enough to make any sort of preparations you want -- such as nesting a demiplane hideaway and encasing yourself in quintessence with contingent spells to wake you at your desired time after you initially teleported.Last edited by Doctor Despair; 2022-01-13 at 09:08 PM.
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2022-01-13, 08:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-01-13, 09:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Everyone has every spell. Survive.
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2022-01-14, 03:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-01-14, 04:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Everyone has every spell. Survive.
I mean, unless you can get a tuning fork for the demiplane, and since everyone has gate, they're equally as secure against it really, since you can definitely gate into both a demiplane and a magnificent mansion. But also, since you literally have every spell, you could easily conjure up heros feasts and make permanencied unseen servants to replicate the features of a magnificent mansion, plus true creation to fill the demiplane with whatever you want ontop of that. Best part is it won't go away after a few hours, unlike a magnificent mansion, plus you can add planar traits like flowing time to give yourself more time relative to the material.
Extra points for using a selective spell genesis to apply no magic to your entire demiplane, but have it not affect you or your friends, limiting anyone else who visits the plane to 4th level spells via invoke magic, while you and your friends are free to cast 9th level spells without issue.
That can be solved by spamming DCFS to get a 17th level spell slot and getting innate spell to cast genesis as an SLA.Last edited by Crake; 2022-01-14 at 05:03 AM.
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2022-01-14, 07:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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True with the tuning fork, but that's what I mean the spell is weird in some details. I mean, the caster has to get there somehow. Unless casting the spell transports you there.
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2022-01-14, 02:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Everyone has every spell. Survive.
Not "definitely" - MMM includes the line "only those you designate may enter". If the DM takes that as just "when using the door" then Gate works for invaders. If the DM reads that as a general sense, then Gate does not work of itself for invaders. Which way it goes is a matter of interpretation, so it's not "definitely"
Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.
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2022-01-14, 04:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-01-14, 09:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Everyone has every spell. Survive.
Material components are tricky for these approaches I think, and a lot of it depends on stuff that's being assumed around the premise. For example, if 'everyone has every spell' but no access to D&D mechanics like levels, feats, etc beyond that unless those mechanics can be granted to you by a spell, then something like 'just take Eschew Components' has a much bigger spin-up loop which might involve pathing through stuff like summoning something that can cast Awaken on you from its own XP (or as an SLA) after PAOing into an animal or tree, just so you can get access to the level system. Teleport Through Time in particular would be annoying to use if you couldn't eschew the components, given the whole 'undisturbed soil' thing.
That said, if there is no specific reason for people in the world to want to kill you in particular, you probably do have much more than one round to escape, especially if we're ignoring any use of Wish that goes off-list (which would bar most 'accidentally kill the world in one round' types of outcomes). So anything that you can do within, say, the first 10 minutes is probably still pretty safe even if you live in a densely populated city. And you probably have a day or more if you live away from other people and don't personally have enemies who would want to kill you.
If we're not ignoring material component costs and people don't automatically get the rest of the D&D mechanics just because of spell access, probably the most dangerous thing that could happen in short order would be people accidentally dropping things like Blasphemy or Holy Word or whatever and killing everyone within 40ft (including themselves though...) - at least, if spells are cast at their minimum allowed caster level.
If everyone is CL 0, no other D&D mechanics, and we're not ignoring material component costs then actually I think it'd probably take months to really get to hellscape levels of ambient danger, because outside of particular people who are already familiar with D&D, it would take active experimentation and analysis to figure out how to actually become capable of casting e.g. enough of a fireball to actually cause harm.
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2022-01-15, 01:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-01-15, 06:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Everyone has every spell. Survive.
What are the conditions of spellcasting in this scenario?
Everyone has access to and the ability to cast all spells. Does this also constitute knowledge of all spells and how to cast them, or do they kind of have to figure everything out as they go? To that end, do they know they have suddenly gained the ability to use magic to begin with?
Are material and XP costs still in play? I'm imagining that we're not limited by caster level in this scenario, and we have what is effectively a bunch of level 1-3 characters casting 9th level spells. The XP cost of spells like wish, miracle, and genesis would prevent the vast majority of people from being able to actually cast them. Expensive material components also bar a good number of spells from large portions of the population.
Assuming people don't automatically have an encyclopedic knowledge of their potential spell list and material components are still required, it could take a very long time for people to actually figure out how to use most of their spells. I mean, at least until someone figures it out and cracks open the Spell Compendium..."Technically correct" is the best kind of correct.
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2022-01-16, 02:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Hop onto Twitter or whatever
Try to start trending hashtag #HeyEverybodyCastRemoveDiseaseOnYourselfRightNow
That should solve, or at least go a long way toward solving, *one* problem (and any number of other disease related issues)
Oh, also, #HeyEverybodyCastCreateFoodAndWaterRightNow
That should solve another big problem
Now, rabbit together with the people I care most about. The idea of the Astral Winchester sounds good but *checks shirt pocket” yeah my name is not Shaun and I’m certainly not Shaun’s girlfriend so I’m a little leery of what narrative convention would mean for me and a group of loved ones hanging out at the Winchester basically asking “what could go wrong here?”
I mean sure, I might be briefly tempted by the prospect of some kind OP isekai adventure in a D&D world, but (1) I’d probably run into some GMPC like Elminster a lot sooner than I’d like and also (2) I’ve read enough of Guardians of the Flame that no no no no no no NO no thank you.
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2022-01-16, 02:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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A.) It was a terrible idea in SotD. It is a great idea here.
2.) Narrative convention doesn't apply when there's no narrative. Also, we're not asking that, we're playing darts and pool and stuff.
iii.) I like you as a friend (same goes for all y'all - ain't no "loved one" status here).Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2022-01-16, 07:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-01-16, 03:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Everyone has every spell. Survive.
Time Stop.
Gate (to distant spot on the astral)
Magnificient Mansion
Mind Blank
Pending info about XP costs:
Wish(Spellblade with Wish).Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.
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2022-01-16, 07:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Everyone has every spell. Survive.
What if the real world doesn't have an Astral Plane, an Ethereal Plane, or any of these other planes?
And what if you can only summon/gate/etc real creatures? Zodars don't exist in the real world as far as I know.