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2022-01-13, 03:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Help to increase the DC of this Poison
Just like the title says, I need help to increase the DC of this Poison
Drow Poison, Injury, Fort DC 13, unconscious 1 minute/unconscious 1d3 hours), 75 gp
I have no option to change any of the following (race,class) there is 1 feat available otherwise this must be done with gear.
I need the DC as high as possible
thankyou in advance
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2022-01-13, 03:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help to increase the DC of this Poison
What's the class? What's the budget?
If you have sneak attack, there's venomous strike.Screaming defiance with the last breath
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2022-01-13, 04:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help to increase the DC of this Poison
+5 Assassination weapon enchantment
Increases your poison DC by the weapon enhancement bonus (+5 in this example).
There are also some feats, but it is questionable if they justify their cost with the exception of a few.
Here a link to a poison guide. It has most stuff regarding poisons
edit: if the +5 weapon is to expensive, start with a +1 Assassination weapon (+1 to DC) and upgrade it when you have more gold to spend.Last edited by Gruftzwerg; 2022-01-13 at 04:20 PM.
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2022-01-13, 04:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help to increase the DC of this Poison
Not just a poison guide, the poison guide. Warmly recommended - partially responsible for my bronze medal in the Thayan Gladiator IC round. Akal Saris is brilliant.
It's very expansive though, and OP was interested in a very narrow task with very specific resources, so it might be easier to just let us know what the build is.Last edited by H_H_F_F; 2022-01-13 at 04:29 PM.
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2022-01-13, 04:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help to increase the DC of this Poison
Ask your DM if the 2nd party supplement Kingdoms of Kalamar: Player's Guide is allowed.
This gives you a set of rules for using Craft: Poisonmaking with a bit more finesse (p. 119), allowing you, among other things, to increase the potency of your product.
In essence, every point of DC you add while crafting adds +2 to the crafting DC and +10% to the base cost (and accordingly time to craft increases too).Last edited by Dalmosh; 2022-01-13 at 04:59 PM.
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2022-01-13, 05:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help to increase the DC of this Poison
the build has 100K gp available
and has sneak attack
I will look into venomous strike
Assassination weapon enchantment could be used
it is a gestalt build with a lot of dips to do specifically what was wanted so race and class changes are off the table
Kingdoms of Kalamar: Player's Guide I will ask to see if can be used for this purpose
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I forgot to note that the 1 feat can draw from both 3.x and pathfinder sources but the GEAR can only draw from 3.x sources
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2022-01-13, 05:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help to increase the DC of this Poison
If you have the money for it, a +5 assasination weapon is the best you can do. Throw in virulent and toxic for good measure.
No single feat will increase your dc more than venomous strike, I believe. You could take poison expert for +1 if you're not sure about reliably getting sneak attack.
I should mention for good measure that you'll have a very hard time getting drow poison to work at high levels. If all you want is a poison that takes enemies out, there are better options.Screaming defiance with the last breath
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2022-01-13, 08:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help to increase the DC of this Poison
virulent and toxic what book and page please ?
RE: drow poison to work at high levels. If all you want is a poison that takes enemies out, there are better options
well thematically the unconscious 1 minute/unconscious 2d4 hours effect of drow poison is basically all I was looking for sure there are poisons that deal ability damage ect, but I was not looking for that effect.
granted the bas Fort Dc 13 sucks and with feat+ weapon enhancement I am able to see that rise to DC 20 - but I grant you that if a creature has a fort save of anything over 30 and many will be over that, if not outright immune to poison - I understand the epic challenge to get the DC high enough to matter.
I am hoping to see a DC min of 30 and with my craft poison skill and other bonuses i could theoretically make it to DC 39 but that still may not be high enough
unless you know of an item that can boost the craft poison skill in addition to a masterwork artisan’s tools, +2 circumstance bonus on the check to craft poison?
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2022-01-13, 10:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help to increase the DC of this Poison
I am hoping to see a DC min of 30 and with my craft poison skill and other bonuses i could theoretically make it to DC 39 but that still may not be high enough
unless you know of an item that can boost the craft poison skill in addition to a masterwork artisan’s tools, +2 circumstance bonus on the check to craft poison?
In the core rules alone, pumping the skill sky-high will only let you increase the speed at which you brew this poison, but it won't change its potency.
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2022-01-13, 11:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help to increase the DC of this Poison
I guess you could take the Leadership feat, and have a cohort that specializes in applying penalties to enemy saves? Doomspeak gives -10, Paladin of Tyranny gives -2, Hexblade with Dark Companion gives -2, and the Falcor Vestige gives -2.
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2022-01-14, 03:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help to increase the DC of this Poison
DoTU, p. 95.
I'd take a look at serpent kingdoms, p.150. There's lizardfolk poison with shorter durations but DC 17, and there's Sssartisss, which does paralasys/unconsciousness, with DC 20.
granted the bas Fort Dc 13 sucks and with feat+ weapon enhancement I am able to see that rise to DC 20 - but I grant you that if a creature has a fort save of anything over 30 and many will be over that, if not outright immune to poison - I understand the epic challenge to get the DC high enough to matter.
I am hoping to see a DC min of 30 and with my craft poison skill and other bonuses i could theoretically make it to DC 39 but that still may not be high enough
If you're using a quick method like fabricate to make the poisons, someone could cast guidance of the avatar on you.Screaming defiance with the last breath
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2022-01-14, 06:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help to increase the DC of this Poison
Poison is one on my favorite things to toy with ingame... I once played a hunter who specialized in poison crafting which was fun. Had herbalism as skills he was good at... and I optimized the bootey out of my pets.
Anywho, you want to go with feats like:
Poison Expert
Poison Master
Poison Specialization
Gear:
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2022-01-14, 06:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help to increase the DC of this Poison
+5 Assassination weapon enchantmentSpoiler: For purposes of clarity1109 is September, 11 - my birthday.
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2022-01-14, 07:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help to increase the DC of this Poison
RE feats Poison Expert, Poison Master, Poison Specialization - unfortunately i only have 1 feat available
and it tentatively looks like the gm will approve the Kok,PG for the crafting poison effect so that helps boost that dc some
I will look into these sources, DoTU, p. 95., serpent kingdoms, p.150 to see if they can help
Thanks for the input all
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2022-01-14, 07:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help to increase the DC of this Poison
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2022-01-14, 08:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Help to increase the DC of this Poison
How about the 3rd-party feats?
Poison Focus (Ronin Arts The Assassin's Guide to Poisons) +2 to the DC for all saving throw's against poisons from your preferred poison type; required Poison Use
Precision Poisoning (Bastion Press A Poisoner's Handbook) gives the poison you use a +2 circumstance bonus to its DC. You may use this feat only against those creatures whose physiology you know; required Dex 14 and 4+ ranks in Knowledge (physiology)
Strengthen Poison (Blue Devil Games Poisoncraft: The Dark Art) Craft (poisonmaking) check - for every 1 you exceed Craft DC for the poison in question, poison's Fort DC increased to 1; required 11 ranks in Craft (poisonmaking)