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    Default Wizard's archives seems to be gone again.

    archive.wizards.com, even from the Wayback Machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thorr-kan View Post
    archive.wizards.com, even from the Wayback Machine.
    I just nabbed an archived page on the Wayback Machine, so I don't think the problem is as far-reaching as you suggested yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Despair View Post
    I just nabbed an archived page on the Wayback Machine, so I don't think the problem is as far-reaching as you suggested yet.
    Check your cache.

    No archive.wizards.com I had saved comes up through Archive.Org for me, on multiple PCs. Looks like they finally pulled the plug.
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    Default Re: Wizard's archives seems to be gone again.

    Quote Originally Posted by thorr-kan View Post
    Check your cache.

    No archive.wizards.com I had saved comes up through Archive.Org for me, on multiple PCs. Looks like they finally pulled the plug.
    I think that's because archive.org itself also seems to be at least partially down at the moment. It's taking ages to load certain pages, if they load at all.

    Wizards pulling the plug wouldn't impact the Wayback Machine because it archives pages independently of whether the website itself is still available.
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    A game setting does need to be designed to be fun and functional to game in.

    But there's more to good worldbuilding than piling the "parts to game in" on a big pile.

    Farmland isn't there to be adventured in, primarily, but one assumes it's still there and part of the landscape -- just because adventurers don't go there often doesn't mean it doesn't or shouldn't or needn't exist.

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    I'm feeling only sad about this.
    Do we have any options other than Wayback Machine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by loky1109 View Post
    I'm feeling only sad about this.
    Do we have any options other than Wayback Machine?

    I think someone was trying to create pdfs for people to ‘circulate the tapes’ last time this happened but then it came back online, dunno if that was continued or not.

    One of these days I feel I should make a book, give it a fancy cover that says Player’s Handbook 3, and have it be a compilation of printed web content for my games. It’s just finding time (and uh, buying a printer as I just realised writing this I don’t have access to one now that I can’t sneakily use the printer at my old workplace for character sheets like I used to) to do that.
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    Fortunately in anticipation for this inevitability, I downloaded all of the webpages from the 3.x archive just to be safe. They deleted the official forums not once, not twice, but three times. I've been stung by WoTC too many times to trust them to ever keep anything up again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcanist View Post
    Fortunately in anticipation for this inevitability, I downloaded all of the webpages from the 3.x archive just to be safe. They deleted the official forums not once, not twice, but three times. I've been stung by WoTC too many times to trust them to ever keep anything up again.
    I did the same awhile back-- don't know that it has absolutely everything, but I'm pretty sure it was fairly comprehensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcanist View Post
    Fortunately in anticipation for this inevitability, I downloaded all of the webpages from the 3.x archive just to be safe. They deleted the official forums not once, not twice, but three times. I've been stung by WoTC too many times to trust them to ever keep anything up again.
    Do you maybe have a downlaod link for this collection? Would be much appreciated :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malphegor View Post
    I think someone was trying to create pdfs for people to ‘circulate the tapes’ last time this happened but then it came back online, dunno if that was continued or not.

    One of these days I feel I should make a book, give it a fancy cover that says Player’s Handbook 3, and have it be a compilation of printed web content for my games. It’s just finding time (and uh, buying a printer as I just realised writing this I don’t have access to one now that I can’t sneakily use the printer at my old workplace for character sheets like I used to) to do that.
    Great idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcanist View Post
    Fortunately in anticipation for this inevitability, I downloaded all of the webpages from the 3.x archive just to be safe. They deleted the official forums not once, not twice, but three times. I've been stung by WoTC too many times to trust them to ever keep anything up again.
    Everything? If so, that's awesome. Any way for you to upload these anywhere?
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    +1 to share request.
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    For anyone asking for me to publish a RAW file or share my collection, I would be more than happy to do so if could get a moderators approval to do so as I am unsure on forum policy of sharing materials of that sort. It would appear to fall under "Posting Copyrighted Content" so I am unsure and unwilling to do so until I have approval to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcanist View Post
    For anyone asking for me to publish a RAW file or share my collection, I would be more than happy to do so if could get a moderators approval to do so as I am unsure on forum policy of sharing materials of that sort. It would appear to fall under "Posting Copyrighted Content" so I am unsure and unwilling to do so until I have approval to do so.
    Makes sense.

    As a side note: for WoTC to decide to pull the plug on all of their web material, but still pursue people for copyright infringement when they try to preserve it, would be lower than low. I doubt they'll do that.
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    It was public materials, but I understand your hesitation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H_H_F_F View Post
    Makes sense.

    As a side note: for WoTC to decide to pull the plug on all of their web material, but still pursue people for copyright infringement when they try to preserve it, would be lower than low. I doubt they'll do that.
    As someone who has a saved folder of all the C&Ds they have sent in the past, I would not be surprised in the slightest.

    Note. This is not me giving any legal advice at all, merely stating fact that WotC has a legal team, and are not afraid to make that flex.

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    I am awaiting a moderators input on the matter, but as it stands this content will remain effectively lost until someone is willing to take the potential DMCA/C&D hit from WoTC. This person, I'm afraid, will not be me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max_Killjoy View Post
    A game setting does need to be designed to be fun and functional to game in.

    But there's more to good worldbuilding than piling the "parts to game in" on a big pile.

    Farmland isn't there to be adventured in, primarily, but one assumes it's still there and part of the landscape -- just because adventurers don't go there often doesn't mean it doesn't or shouldn't or needn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buufreak View Post
    As someone who has a saved folder of all the C&Ds they have sent in the past, I would not be surprised in the slightest.
    Was this for content they had publicly posted on their site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elves View Post
    Was this for content they had publicly posted on their site?
    Having confirmation from the Moderation team, I believe the point is rather moot. Here is the Mods stance on the matter, which to me more or less settles it. This content is SOLELY available through the Wayback Machine as mentioned below.

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    Yeah, I recall making a thread about it back in 2020 when it happened then. I dunno why they brought it back up back then, but they never made any official statements about it. It's a real shame, I had some bookmarks for downloading the pages, but never got around to it (somehow got a new job in April 2020).

    I guess all that remains is petitioning the WotC staff to bring it back. It had some really amazing resources, such as old art packs and such. Wish they'd just allow someone else to host the content if they really just don't care for the website anymore. It's just that useful.

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    "Hey guys, we have a group of customers who are totally willing to pay you $X for a .pdf of the whole thing, as opposed to the $Y you'll be paying your legal team to keep sending C&D letters to internet randos if it's not available" seems like an argument they'd respond to. But if not? ::shrug:: Their IP, their pick.

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    Originally Posted by Wildstag
    I guess all that remains is petitioning the WotC staff to bring it back.
    We tried that as part of the previous thread, with a number of people submitting comments to the website and others trying to reach out directly to key employees.

    Several of us received rather bland brush-offs, and I don’t think the employees responded at all. I’ll miss having the material available, and I’d still pay money for a collection, but unless someone is able to organize a large-scale and very effective petition, I don’t think there’s much else we can do.

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    Would somebody who has the collection be willing to PM a download link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolcat View Post
    Would somebody who has the collection be willing to PM a download link?
    Probably not a good idea, since the forum rules apply to PMs as well, if I remember correctly.

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    Originally Posted by Batcathat
    Probably not a good idea, since the forum rules apply to PMs as well, if I remember correctly.
    They do indeed.

    Originally Posted by Wildstag
    I guess all that remains is petitioning the WotC staff to bring it back.
    Another approach occurred to me—if we could get an article about this placed on a gaming site, or someone’s gaming blog, that might draw enough attention to the issue for someone at WotC to at least take another look.

    A few random emails to their website and a couple of Twitter questions aren’t enough to get noticed. But a blog post, YouTube video or something like that might be a different story.

    I don’t know the online gaming scene well enough to know who or what would be the best outlet, but I’d say it’s worth a try.

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    Maybe someone could try to get it to blow up on r/HobbyDrama? That subreddit is fairly popular iirc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palanan View Post
    We tried that as part of the previous thread, with a number of people submitting comments to the website and others trying to reach out directly to key employees.

    Several of us received rather bland brush-offs, and I don’t think the employees responded at all. I’ll miss having the material available, and I’d still pay money for a collection, but unless someone is able to organize a large-scale and very effective petition, I don’t think there’s much else we can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elves View Post
    Remove all traces of the past. There has only ever been and only ever will be 5e. All hail its eternal glorious gilded reign. It is the perfect system. It is the Sun.
    I could have sworn they tried that attitude in the 4e days and it blew up on them.

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    Originally Posted by Doctor Despair
    Maybe someone could try to get it to blow up on r/HobbyDrama?
    Never heard of it, but worth a try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildstag View Post
    I could have sworn they tried that attitude in the 4e days and it blew up on them.
    Wizards of the Coast really needs to stop completely discarding previous lore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max_Killjoy View Post
    A game setting does need to be designed to be fun and functional to game in.

    But there's more to good worldbuilding than piling the "parts to game in" on a big pile.

    Farmland isn't there to be adventured in, primarily, but one assumes it's still there and part of the landscape -- just because adventurers don't go there often doesn't mean it doesn't or shouldn't or needn't exist.

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