OOC Alhallor's mana secret 2

[Aegis013]

Given there's no clear plan for approaching the trolls, should we just go visit Salamander while the party is in the area?

[Ridai]

I forgot to add the trolls in my table. Looking back through the thread, I am unsure how much of a threat they are, since it starts with people having trouble with the trolls, but then that they keep to themselves and don't leave the caves.

[kinem]

I think Salamander would be the more logical next stop.

[WindStruck]

Maybe we should just put up a sign.

TROLLS THIS WAY, DO NOT DISTURB -------->

<---------- SHADE VISITORS THIS WAY

[kinem]

Brilliant!

[Alhallor]

somehow im very much a fan of the sign.

[Ridai]

Sure, that also works. Anyone want to bring that up ingame?

[Alhallor]

I'm pretty sure Larimar can McGyver a sign with all the stuff he has in his haversack.

[WindStruck]

Yeah. Even chisel away at the walls with his singular adamantine arrow!

[Alhallor]

Consent seems to be going towards Salamander while in the area. I'll move the game forward, I'll also assume that a sign was somehow placed there.

[Aegis013]

Does the fire resistance apply before or after the save?

If after, Jahn takes 0 fire damage (37*0.5 = 18.5 - 20 = 0 damage). If before, Jahn takes 8 fire damage (37-20 = 17*0.5 = 8 damage).

[Ridai]

Unless the DM or a specific rule says otherwise, you can apply bonuses/beneficial effects in whatever order you want in 3.5.

[Alhallor]

I thought it was always after but Im OK with "most beneficial option".

[Ridai]

I mean, applying energy resistance after halving is the better option, so nothing much would change. But yeah, there is no direct ruling in the books about the order of resistance before or after damage reducing save that I am aware of, so the standard "pick your order" would kick in.

Also Reflex save I guess (1d20+7)[20]

edit: Looks like Thaum gets away unscathed this time.

[kinem]

Ken’s Reflex (1d20+10)[11] vs DC 15

[WindStruck]

reflex: (1d20+17)[37]

[WindStruck]

Oh crap. Did we need to roll initiative?

Or is it simply our turn to do whatever now, in whichever order?

[Aegis013]

The salamander things won initiative and blasted us with the fireball, so it's our actions.

[kinem]

I’ll post IC this evening.

[Alhallor]

@ Windstruck: Well Salamanders are Outsiders in 3.5 but with Secret of Mana there aren't really different planes (there is definitely something like a demon realm and parallel Worlds somehow) but I'd say we can fill them under monstrous humanoids.

[WindStruck]

I wonder if Thaum's healing magic which is very much undineish will actually hurt them...

[Alhallor]

That can be safely ruled out. It hurts undead because they're powered by negative energy and it didn't hurt the undead drinkers because they actually wanted to be unthirsted.

It would probably not feel nice to the salamanders but it wouldn't actually hurt them.

If Thaum would be somehow Salamander-aligned his healing spells would work the same after all. Exception do occur (probably more than is considered normal) but they are exceptions after all.

[Aegis013]

My first thought is to add back up dancers via Silent Image, but I'm not sure Jahn can Concentrate on Silent Image while simultaneously performing. My second thought is to burn another Bardic Music for DFI and have Larimar fire flaming arrows like little fireworks, Ken can add a whirling blade through the air if desired and have Coney launch a fireball as a bigger firework for the finale.

I wouldn't begrudge anyone saving their spells, though I think asking Larimar to waste a few non-magical arrows is probably reasonable.

I'll post Jahn's performance and if other players want to add contributions they're welcome to do so.

[kinem]

Ken will cast a couple of Extended Spiritual Weapons and have them clash in the air if Jahn’s song refers to battle.

[Ridai]

I would like to mention that I am having a bit of trouble with understanding the post because of all the "salamander/Salamander/Salamando" stuff and them frequently being used interchangably, so I don't really know what is happening in the first paragraph.

Also yes, Thaum renews the spell.

[Aegis013]

I'm going to assume Windstruck would be OK with Larimar firing some non-magic arrows unless told otherwise. Thanks for adding the spells in kinem.

Ouch, rolled a 4. Hopefully all of the "special effects" will help.

[WindStruck]

Maybe Larimar will juggle, tumble, or play a kazoo.

[Ridai]

If all the buffs are deemed okay, that should be another +5 bonus to the Perform check (unless I missed any errant morale and luck bonuses). If Thaum's ideas with the wind wall and the glitterdust bursts each provide +2, that would push the performance just past DC 30.

I would have put grace or dance of the unicorn on Jahn for effects, but sadly those are personal range spells.

[Alhallor]

I edited the post, and named Lord Xantaro an amphibian, he's not pleased about it but on the other hand you can have more of his gloriousness, which should cancel itself out.

Reaction to the performance and what action gave what bonus will be told tomorrow.

[Ridai]

Really, if Salamando is either referred to by his name or as "sprite" or something, that is probably clear enough. Just also calling Salamando a salamander leads to having to re-read something a few times, when they are very different things.