Conjured stone

[Smoutwortel]

This is mostly a message for those who like me like to over-analyze the comic, but aren't very well versed in d&d RAW.
The conjured stone trick is very RAW and can be achieved with ten minutes and a wall of stone.
Compliments to the giant for knowing this.

Yes, the giant is very allowed to overrule RAW in his comic. It just means that people like me have no fodder to start thinking of new and exciting ways to achieve what the giant did with more convoluted means.

So permanence forecages under a permanent silent image are useless.

[InvisibleBison]

Would you care to explain how this trick actually works? Because I certainly don't see anything in the wall of stone spell that seems to support it. Or did you mean a generic wall of stone as opposed to the spell?

[Morquard]

A wall of stone is an instantaneous conjuration effect, and Anti-magic field states that " (The effects of instantaneous conjurations are not affected by an antimagic field because the conjuration itself is no longer in effect, only its result.)"

So I'm not sure it would actually work by RAW.

[Riftwolf]

A wall of stone is an instantaneous conjuration effect, and Anti-magic field states that " (The effects of instantaneous conjurations are not affected by an antimagic field because the conjuration itself is no longer in effect, only its result.)"

So I'm not sure it would actually work by RAW.

So it's a conjured wall of stone that wasn't conjured with Wall of Stone but a permanent conjuration spell that works like Wall of Stone in all ways but one?

The wall might've been there for a while. Might be a 3.0 hangover...

[Squire Doodad]

Guess 1: it's a permanent tangible illusion made using some scrolls Girard made for Serini. Like a juiced up version of Silent Image.
Guess 2: it's an older edition/homebrew spell that exchanges being able to be shut down by AMF and Dispel for a lower spell level or something like that.

[Riftwolf]

Guess 1: it's a permanent tangible illusion made using some scrolls Girard made for Serini. Like a juiced up version of Silent Image.
Guess 2: it's an older edition/homebrew spell that exchanges being able to be shut down by AMF and Dispel for a lower spell level or something like that.

Guess 3: It's an Earth Elemental summoned with Planar Ally to sit still indefinitely.

[El Dorado]

If we're assuming the "conjured stone" is accurate, there's AD&D's Distance Distortion. It's even a legit target for Permanency. So, a permanent, summoned creature that can be suppressed by an antimagic cone. Lot of hoops to jump through.

[RatElemental]

Greater Shadow Conjuration with Wall of Stone or just plain old Minor Creation would work. Whip out the Gruyere and the shadow conjuration would be even more real to people who saw through the illusion.

[Emanick]

Greater Shadow Conjuration with Wall of Stone or just plain old Minor Creation would work. Whip out the Gruyere and the shadow conjuration would be even more real to people who saw through the illusion.

Wait what does cheese have to do with oh I get it never mind

[littlebum2002]

It's a Permanent Image. It will last forever unless dispelled, and would be temporarily disabled by a anti-magic field.

[Peelee]

It's a Permanent Image. It will last forever unless dispelled, and would be temporarily disabled by a anti-magic field.

Permanent Image wouldn't need to be disabled by AMF, since it's not actually stone, just an image of stone. They could walk right through without needing Sunny to open a hole for them.

[RatElemental]

Like I said, I think permanent minor creation would work. It creates nonmagical matter, but the spell has a duration instead of being instantaneous, meaning it could be suppressed.

[Tvtyrant]

It could have just been Polymorph Any Object. Just cover the hole by spreading rock, it would revert when hit by an AMF.

[Smoutwortel]

Would you care to explain how this trick actually works? Because I certainly don't see anything in the wall of stone spell that seems to support it. Or did you mean a generic wall of stone as opposed to the spell?

I'm simply mistaken.
It works in 5e, because there it's a 10minute concentration spell with build in permanency option and I mistook that for the 3.5e description.

[Smoutwortel]

My current suggestion would be to cast a forecage with permanency and cast a visual illusion on it like minor image with permanency to obtain the look of of stone.

[Peelee]

Five gold on it being Wall of Stone with the flowchart applied.

[littlebum2002]

Like I said, I think permanent minor creation would work. It creates nonmagical matter, but the spell has a duration instead of being instantaneous, meaning it could be suppressed.

I mean this is the most plausible explanation I've heard so far.

[Jay R]

Like I said, I think permanent minor creation would work. It creates nonmagical matter, but the spell has a duration instead of being instantaneous, meaning it could be suppressed.

Good idea. One minor* correction.

It's major creation. Minor creation only makes vegetable matter.


*Sorry about that.

[Smoutwortel]

Good idea. One minor* correction.

It's major creation. Minor creation only makes vegetable matter.


*Sorry about that.

The Netherlands is one big set of holes, because they discovered to late that burning stones formed out of vegetables negatively impacts the structural integrity of its surroundings. You just have to apply enough pressure.
Using a different spell also works.

[AceOfFools]

The spell “ Mirage Arcana” can make an empty cavern spear be a cavern wall. It’s an illusion with a duration of hours per level, that explicitly includes tactile elements. It does allow a will save to disbelieve if interacted with, so just lying to Sonny and saying it’s conjured stone makes the illusion stronger. Iirc, at least one “fortress building” splat explicitly included rules for making permeant Mirage Arcanas, but I no longer have my copy to check.

Having literally pulled this exact trick (albeit with creatures immune to glamours rather than antimagic as a bypass), it was the first thing I thought of, but far from the only way to implement such a thing. Major Creation having already been mentioned.