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2022-05-15, 04:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerSince there was a powered Wanda in their universe, they most likely assumed that that was the power level they would be facing, i.e. pre-WandaVision boost, and Darkhold to boot. In any case, in-universe explanations for how they were defeated so swiftly are easy to find. Thematically, it played a little like Oberyn being defeated by the Mountain.Last edited by Clertar; 2022-05-15 at 04:22 PM.
"Like the old proverb says, if one sees something not right, one must draw out his sword to intervene"
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2022-05-15, 05:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: Help me out, then -What were the four big hulking critters at the Darkhold temple? Granted, they don't resemble the zealots from the first movie that were called Mindless Ones, but more like the classic comic appearance and servitude to magic users, plus some version of a magic blast attack and brute strength. I'm not super well-versed, but am unaware of anything else that quite fits that description.
I read a thing today claiming that the ribbon demon from the opening "dream" sequence was supposed to be Cyttorak, so who knows?
“Rule is what lies between what is said and what is understood.”~Raja Rudatha, the Spider Prince
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2022-05-15, 06:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerJust some sort of generic demon left behind by Chthon. Mindless Ones are blobby rock/clay men, usually hunched over with a blank red rectangle instead of a face which they shoot blasts out of. Kaecilius and his goons are briefly seen turning into them as they are sucked into the Dark Dimension in the first movie.
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2022-05-15, 07:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Rule is what lies between what is said and what is understood.”~Raja Rudatha, the Spider Prince
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2022-05-15, 10:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by Needs to be the one holding the knifeSpoiler
In the MCU (616) universe, the complaint is that Doctor Strange picked the path to defeat Thanos without consulting anyone; he was the one who chose the path. (Dr. West criticizes him at the wedding for this). In the Illuminati universe, the complaint seems to be that Doctor Strange went off on his own to find a different way to defeat Thanos; he ended up destroying an entire universe and almost destroyed his own. Similarly, our Doctor Strange also refused to acknowledge Wong as the proper Sorcerer Supreme; he spends the last two movies kind of mocking Wong's title. Zombie Strange (the one who dies at the beginning) also tried to take America's power so he can control it himself; it's a through-line for differing versions of Doctor Strange that he's arrogant and controlling.
But yes, I agree, the payoff isn't great; a "believe in yourself" part and respecting Wong at the end.
Also, it's weird that a universe that numbers other universes doesn't number itself #1 or Prime.
Edit: Added some stuff to the spoiler.Last edited by Joran; 2022-05-17 at 06:20 PM.
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2022-05-16, 01:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-17, 02:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Alignments are objective. Right and wrong are not.
Good: Will act to prevent harm to others even at personal cost.
Evil: Will seek personal benefit even if it causes harm to others.
Law: General, universal, and consistent trump specific, local, and inconsistent.
Chaos: Specific, local, and inconsistent trump general, universal, and consistent.
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2022-05-17, 02:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Went to see this with the girlfriend the other night, we both liked it a lot. Me because it was a Marvel movie that actually had some style and pizazz and non-boilerplate cinematography going on. She enjoyed it for similar reasons, and also because she really doesn't like Wanda. An entire movie of no, Wanda is bad actually was very satisfying for her.
We also appreciated the gorier, more horror infused action style - no goddamn endless fights of two people punching/particle effecting each other until somebody yells super hard and wins. Dudes actually, unambiguously died, and it was so much more satisfying.
We had also earlier been lamenting the lack of movies with satisfying villains. This had a really good villain, hitting that balance of an understandable motivation while still clearly being the bad guy.
Overall I think this one of the two or three MCU movies I would say are just genuinely well made, interesting to watch films, rather than dull exercises in producing product.Blood-red were his spurs i' the golden noon; wine-red was his velvet coat,
When they shot him down on the highway,
Down like a dog on the highway,And he lay in his blood on the highway, with the bunch of lace at his throat.
Alfred Noyes, The Highwayman, 1906.
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2022-05-17, 03:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-17, 04:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-17, 04:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Everyone knows that Six Sixteen in the comics is called Six Sixteeen, due to the blonde goddess Opal Luna SaturnyneLong may she reign!
Spoiler: Saturnyne
Sometimes a mutant such as Kitty* Pryde (*she prefers Kate now) finds out she is bisexual due to a Blond Magic lady showing up to give her a quest.
Sidenote Excalibur 2019, X of Swords (2020), and the new Knights of X (2022) are all good!
Thus there is a Courtney Ross in MCU's Earth 838, or a Captain Britain member, or someone else associated with the Corps to standardize on the naming scheme.Stupendous Man drawn by Linklele
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2022-05-17, 06:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oh right, I feel a bit bad too.
My son: "I like movies, but don't like jump scares."
Me: "Oh, don't worry, it's a Marvel movie, they don't have a lot of jump scares."
/proceeds to watch the first full-on horror MCU movie.
My friends told me I should have known considering it was Sam Raimi, but I only knew him from the first Spider-man movies.
He's not scarred for life (my wife has "fond" memories of seeing Temple of Doom as a 6 year old), but I'm glad my daughter was too busy cause she would have screamed the entire time.
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2022-05-21, 01:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Really wasn't expecting this one to be a full-on horror show for a lot of the runtime, but Raimi sure did do his thing. Wanda was friggin' scary when she got down to business. It was also surprisingly graphic, really pushing the PG-13 rating without resorting to just saying the F***-Word one time really loudly. I wasn't super fond of the kid character, she didn't really do much or say anything particularly interesting until right at the end.
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2022-05-23, 03:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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In other news, DSMoM has passed The Batman and No Time To Die to be the highest grossing film (not just superhero) of the year so far, and second-highest of the pandemic era as a whole.
You know, I could have sworn we did get one F-bomb, either from Strange or America, but I can't remember for sure.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2022-05-23, 11:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-24, 09:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Forbes has a thinkpiece on it, and they probably know more than I do. What I will say is that 800M in 3 weeks off a 200M budget probably already qualifies as very profitable. Certainly Batman was considered to be highly profitable and this beat their margin.
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2022-05-24, 01:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Didn't Black Panther breach a billion? Or does that fall under your subheading of 'censored/butchered the source material'?
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2022-05-24, 02:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't recall any demands for censorship from specific markets to acceptably screen BP.
For Doctor Strange, I'm sure a certain character was changed to be acceptable to a certain market. And in MoM, there's a very vocal and notable demand which was promptly denied this time. Naturally, I can't get into the details as that may likely be against forum rules.
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2022-05-24, 02:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Whether it breaks a billion or not I don't think tells us much, as we're not all the way out of the "pandemic era" of cinema yet. No Way Home did, but Spiderman as a character is massively more popular than anyone in DSMoM. It's also somewhat of a horror movie (and was semi-marketed as such) so a lower box office could have been expected, and it's definitely outperforming given its genre.
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2022-05-24, 02:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not in the US, but no movie whether Endgame, Avatar, Star Wars 7, Spider-Man or Black Panther has breached 1 billion in US / Domestic Sales.
Black Panther made 1.346 billion, 700 million in Domestic and 646 million in International
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl2992866817/
Here are US box office best performing movies
https://www.the-numbers.com/box-offi...ative/all-time
Here is Worldwide
https://www.the-numbers.com/box-offi...ative/all-time
Note with the worldwide number Endgame for a time was beating Avatar. Well during the pandemic there was an international rerelease of Avatar 1 and now Avatar is firmly in the lead.Stupendous Man drawn by Linklele
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2022-05-24, 03:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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The end of what Son? The story? There is no end. There's just the point where the storytellers stop talking.
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2022-05-24, 03:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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First the above links have side links to other combinations like domestic sales inflation adjusted.
But abandon all hope ye who starts thinking like that. For one must select the values you are selecting for. Cultural influence is not the same as inflation adjusted. Furthermore cultural influence with presence is also the absence of other presences making it easier to compete. Sound of Music was 1965, at the time about 92% of the US households had a tv in 1965, but only about 5% of the tvs were color at that time. Furthermore the networks switched to color broadcasting for the nightly news from 1965 to 1967. The previous sentence is to signify we are comparing very different cultural times, even comparing 2021 Spider-Man over the Christmas holidays to 2009 Avatar over the Christmas Holidays … in those 12 years we seen the rise of smart cell phones, tablets, apps, streaming media, decline of vhs/dvd/blu-ray etc.
So yeah what values are we selecting for when we use a fudge factor such as selecting for inflation or some other factor?
So yeah Sound of Music is in one of the top 10 of all time movies when one considers it ran for 4 years straight. That said I do not think it computes well with the various standard inflation numbers even though 200 million in the mid 60s is over 2 billion today.Stupendous Man drawn by Linklele
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2022-05-24, 03:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-27, 10:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Bah just realized this...
It is neither here or there but the universe number for the MCU should be 1000M+100C+5U aka roman numerals. Now Romans did not have the letter U they used a V instead for both the vowel U and the constant sound V using the same symbol for both.
They could do a 10 second computer tablet doing math thing, looking fancy doing computer things with chaos, and then the computer slows down and stops thinking spelling out MCU vertically and then doing the number / math on the side next to MCU.
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It is a thinker, and thus it would not be a better jokewhich the MCU loves with their easter eggs the instant realization, but I think I would enjoyed it more.Last edited by Ramza00; 2022-05-27 at 10:03 AM.
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2022-05-31, 08:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-31, 09:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-06-03, 07:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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That was so fun. I expectee a wizard movie with transdimensional hijinks, but i didnt expect a low-key horror flick.
I have to say, the Scarlet Witch is truly an eldritch abomination.
Spoiler: Scarlet Witchthe idea that Wanda is dangerous in ANY universe? Even the ones where she did not develop her powers, or the ones where she is a bona fide good person?
Any of them can just instantly get possessed by the homicidal maniac version of herself from another universe. So Wanda is ALWAYS a threat.
That's scary as crap
Spoiler: the Other Super Hero team
They died like chumps, and i fully expected them to. When have you ever seen a superpowered group arrive midway through the second act with confidence they can resolve the current crisis and NOT have it blow up in their face?!
Spoiler: One MacGuffin to Bind Them All
Oh man, i absolutely love that the MacGuffin they were hunting for about 2/3rd of the movie was blasted to ashes the moment they got their hands on it. So happy the resolution of the conflict was about character and personality rather than Magical Deus Ex Machina Book
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2022-06-26, 04:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Just watched this movie now that it's out on Disney Plus. Yeah, I really liked this! One of the better films; it's fun, interesting stakes, and a bit silly when it needs to be.
And more screen time for Wong. He's great. :3
That was my assumption. I think Rick and Morty use a similar concept.
I agree on this point. Though I wonder...
Spoilersince Dr. Strange had America with him, and she was what Strange needed to defeat Wanda, maybe the book technically worked (or it wouldn't have worked. Kinda an interesting thought).
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2022-06-30, 09:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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2005: No more mutants.
(RIP X-Men)
2022: What mouth?
(RIP Inhumans)
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2022-06-30, 03:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ok...so I'm not trying to start a whole thing...but am I the only one that thinks Wanda's actor just can't act very well? Granted, I only know her from MCU roles so maybe it's a director thing, but she's extremely wooden in her MCU roles.