Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II

[QuadraticGish]

I'll get my post in tomorrow. Had family medical issues pop up today.

[Yas392]

Don’t have death ward prepared, unfort. Also kind of at a loss here, not sure how to affect incorporeal, I don’t think I have any force related abilities available.

Reserve Magic if you don't want to waste your resources. Magic weapons and magic are 50-50 but it is better than nothing.

[Thundercracker]

Reserve Magic if you don't want to waste your resources. Magic weapons and magic are 50-50 but it is better than nothing.

Oh wait, they're undead and can be turned. Derp.

Edit: Does Alistair have line of effect to the Undead to be able to turn them?

[QuadraticGish]

Orchid will try helping to cover the party in Death Ward. Though, worth noting that she does have Ghost Fighting gauntlets which entirely bypass incorporeality and deal an extra d6 of damage. I also found out that I do have access to giving out the Soulfire armor enchantment with my 3rd level infusions. Though in this case I think Death Ward is enough unless we get into level draining or we end hassled by wraiths longer than expected.

[Yas392]

Editted to make clear when he will use his rebuke.

[Aegis013]

Oh wait, they're undead and can be turned. Derp.

Edit: Does Alistair have line of effect to the Undead to be able to turn them?

There's no line of effect while they're in the walls - you'd need to use a readied action to trigger when they attack, meaning you could only turn one at a time.

[QuadraticGish]

Looking ahead at stuff I'm thinking about buying in the future and I can't find an answer to this question. If you wear armor and bracers of armor, both with their different sets of armor special abilities, do you get the benefits of both set of special abilities or only one set?

[Aegis013]

Looking ahead at stuff I'm thinking about buying in the future and I can't find an answer to this question. If you wear armor and bracers of armor, both with their different sets of armor special abilities, do you get the benefits of both set of special abilities or only one set?

I don't think you can put armor enhancements on bracers of armor. I'm pretty sure bracers of armor only provide an armor bonus based on their +value.
Is there something somewhere that specifies otherwise?
Or did I misunderstand the question?

[QuadraticGish]

I don't think you can put armor enhancements on bracers of armor. I'm pretty sure bracers of armor only provide an armor bonus based on their +value.
Is there something somewhere that specifies otherwise?
Or did I misunderstand the question?

Huh. I actually checked and you can't do it in 3.5. I only brought it up because in Pathfinder you could actually trade plusses for special abilities. So, my question is answered now for the game I suppose.

[QuadraticGish]

Death Ward immediately paying off.

[Aegis013]

Death Ward immediately paying off.

Does Death Ward actually protect from ability drain?
I don't see that in the 3.5 spell description: it says it protects from "death spells, magical death effects, energy drain, and any negative energy effects".

Energy drain seems to be specifically related to negative levels and level loss, but I don't see any interaction between death ward and ability drain.

I'm open to being shown something else though. Or allowing a different action. Sheltered Vitality (SpC) would unambiguously do it and is also a 4th level spell.

I've also been unintentionally neglecting to auto roll the DC 14 fort save to resist it, which should be a pretty easy check for this group.

[QuadraticGish]

Huh. I thought it covered ability drain because I believe that to be a negative energy effect but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[Yas392]

Do I roll for the wraith that Levi rebuked if Levi commands them to do something?

[Aegis013]

Do I roll for the wraith that Levi rebuked if Levi commands them to do something?

You're welcome to roll for it. It's a standard wraith. It takes a standard action to command it, though it will continue to execute the command in a reasonable fashion until it no longer makes sense or new commands are issued.

[dantiesilva]

That's odd, it's the go to I'm immune to everything undead related spell. Well I am sorry for that then, I have never run into a situation where it hasn't worked (including games I fought dread wraiths). Must have been a house rule. My bad.

Just looked up the spell online, I'm on my phone at the moment, but it does clearly state in the srd energy drain, damn that's def one on me.

[Yas392]

Just a question. Isn't Levi's check high enough to rebuke multiple wraiths?

[Aegis013]

Just a question. Isn't Levi's check high enough to rebuke multiple wraiths?

There's no line of effect with them in the walls. Their actions are rolled together for the purpose of game pacing, but they don't literally all act simultaneously. Only one wraith attacks at a time so only one could be targeted.

Specified earlier here too.

[QuadraticGish]

I'm considering two options. One, is to just go on the offense and put those ghost fighting gauntlets to use(bypasses incorporeal concealment entirely on attacks and spells) by trying to murder the wraiths as they try to touch us. The other would be getting off a mass reduce person off so most of us can stop being flat-footed.

[dantiesilva]

Saying now that we know death ward won't help us, I'm going to try and destroy the ooze with a one of my destroy ooze abilities I got from the dwarves (thanks DM getting miles out of that ability already lol)

[Yas392]

There's no line of effect with them in the walls. Their actions are rolled together for the purpose of game pacing, but they don't literally all act simultaneously. Only one wraith attacks at a time so only one could be targeted.

Specified earlier here too.

Derped. Thanks for the bump.

[Thundercracker]

Since alignment works differently for this game, could I command undead as well? Seems kind of useful to get a powerful undead under our control.

[Aegis013]

Since alignment works differently for this game, could I command undead as well? Seems kind of useful to get a powerful undead under our control.

That's a good question. I'm 100% behind choosing if you want Turn or Rebuke when you obtain the feature, but not certain about choosing with each use. Admittedly, Rebuke is probably stronger than Turn in most situations though.

Since it wasn't addressed previously I'd allow if you'd prefer to have Rebuke instead of Turn going forward (and we can retroactively put Wraith 2 under Alistair's control).

[Thundercracker]

That's a good question. I'm 100% behind choosing if you want Turn or Rebuke when you obtain the feature, but not certain about choosing with each use. Admittedly, Rebuke is probably stronger than Turn in most situations though.

Since it wasn't addressed previously I'd allow if you'd prefer to have Rebuke instead of Turn going forward (and we can retroactively put Wraith 2 under Alistair's control).

Hooray, much appreciated. Going to command the wraith to attack the ooze as well. Let me know if I should make a new post or amend the existing post or let them be.

[Aegis013]

I updated my IC post and the enemy status, you can edit yours or leave it as you see fit.

[dantiesilva]

(1d20+7)[27] OOC I know I basically need a nat 20 to make this work, IC Abigale doesn't however so, yolo

Dice gods I have NEVER been so happy for you come through for me before. OMG, goodbye Ooze

[QuadraticGish]

Oh yeah, gotta roll fort to see if Orchid saves since she did get touched. (1d20+14)[20]

Also, killer turn roll.

[Yas392]

Did Abigail just one-shot the ooze?

[dantiesilva]

Yeah, a weaker version has one shot a nightwalker 5 levels higher than her before as well as a boneyard before it could even attack. Undead are a cake walk for her. Our DM just made it so she has a chance against the few other things she can actually hurt now.

[Aegis013]

I realize I made a mistake - Alistair's Rebuke attempt would allow up to 9 HD max of undead since while I think kn devotion would unambiguously count on Turn Damage, but whether it counted or not on the Turn/Rebuke check it would only get him up to 16 (I'd lean towards it doesn't since it's not an attack roll), which is CL+2 or a max of 9, wraiths have 5 HD so it would only be rebuked and cower in fear since you need to Turn/Rebuke double the HD of the undead to get the Destroy/Command effects.

Since I didn't catch it this time and explicitly announced the wraith had fallen under Alistair's command, we'll continue with wraith 2 being under Alistair's command.

[QuadraticGish]

Best idea I have on hand is that I could burn a 3rd level infusion to grant our trap thief Greater Fire Resistance(Fire Resistance 30) for 80 minutes. If it proves a hard find, I could also give them Find Traps through spell storing item.