Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II

[QuadraticGish]

It's three+ size categories (PHB pg 148) and its only for passing through, not occupying the same square/space. Though if I'm understanding Yas392's desired outcome, which is to have the Wraith hide inside of the Hydra's body and automatically drain con every round the answer is a definite no. The Wraiths are basically going to trivialize this encounter enough already without bending the rules to help them.

Ah, okay. It's another nuanced difference between 3.5 and PF getting me again.

[Thundercracker]

Knowledge take 10 for 31: Can the Hydra affect the wraiths?

[QuadraticGish]

Knowledge take 10 for 31: Can the Hydra affect the wraiths?

Huh. If it can't then the wraith could just poke it to death while we just play cards until the hydra fails enough saves. Then again, maybe it has a breath weapon. In that case, I'd rather we try to tag team it so we can preserve the wraith for future fights in this dungeon.

[Yas392]

Knowledge take 10 for 31: Can the Hydra affect the wraiths?

Somewhat. They have breath weapons but they need to pinpoint the wraith which is impossible without the right magic/magical senses.

[Aegis013]

Somewhat. They have breath weapons but they need to pinpoint the wraith which is impossible without the right magic/magical senses.

Wraiths aren't invisible. In the open room the hydra will just be able to see them unless they're explicitly instructed to, say, hide inside of the floor and attack from there. The Wraiths would suffer a 50% miss chance for doing so as they can't see through solid matter either. If the rather unintelligent Hydra has enough smarts to ready action to exhale on any appearing Wraith, it could still fight back, but it might take it some time to figure out what's going on since Hydras have animal-level intelligence and each breath weapon would only have a 50% chance to hit incorporeal.

In a battle between two Wraiths and this Cryohydra, I'd bet on the Wraiths personally but it's not impossible the Hydra could triumph if it was quite lucky.

[Yas392]

Wraiths aren't invisible. In the open room the hydra will just be able to see them unless they're explicitly instructed to, say, hide inside of the floor and attack from there. The Wraiths would suffer a 50% miss chance for doing so as they can't see through solid matter either. If the rather unintelligent Hydra has enough smarts to ready action to exhale on any appearing Wraith, it could still fight back, but it might take it some time to figure out what's going on since Hydras have animal-level intelligence and each breath weapon would only have a 50% chance to hit incorporeal.

In a battle between two Wraiths and this Cryohydra, I'd bet on the Wraiths personally but it's not impossible the Hydra could triumph if it was quite lucky.

I see. I thought ethereal and incorporeal are the same but they have their nuances.

EDIT: Did the attacks trigger the wraith attack?

[Aegis013]

I see. I thought ethereal and incorporeal are the same but they have their nuances.

EDIT: Did the attacks trigger the wraith attack?

Yes, but it doesn't really matter when Liselle alone did more than 150% of the enemy's total HP in damage.

I added in that the Wraith made its attack, but there's not a lot of point in actually going through the rolls since the enemy is very very dead.

[Yas392]

Anything noteworthy happening in Hydra room from Levi's checks?

[Aegis013]

You found everything in the Hydra room, there was nothing left to discover.

[Yas392]

I mean those portable like beakers, articles of clothing, etc.

[Aegis013]

You can take that stuff you want though the merchants in Solum won't pay you anything for it. Other than the big items (kiln/forge), anything worth selling seems to have been taken when this laboratory was previously ransacked.

[Yas392]

Levi is not taking those to sell.

[QuadraticGish]

Orchid has the effects of a cloak of minor displacement, so I'm gonna need rolls against her 20% miss chance for all attack rolls above 26 unless they're packing true seeing. Also, do their attacks count as magic for DR? Fortunately, it at least looks like it's no more than 30 damage taken before accounting for that stuff.

[Aegis013]

Displacement would be effective, and their attacks aren't considered magic so DR would work.

[QuadraticGish]

Concealment rolls(20 and below causes a miss): (1d100)[100] (1d100)[62] RIP. Alright, that's 24 damage instead.

[Yas392]

@Aegis013 If I am reading "explored" correctly, Levi's checks on the laboratory yielded nothing?

[Thundercracker]

Would invisibility purge reveal them?

[Aegis013]

@Aegis013 If I am reading "explored" correctly, Levi's checks on the laboratory yielded nothing?

Correct, everything there was to find in the laboratory was found.

Would invisibility purge reveal them?

Yes, it would make them visible while they're Ethereal, but you wouldn't be able to interact with them unless using force effects or traveling to the Ethereal Plane yourself.

[Yas392]

Knowledge (Planes) on creatures: (1d20+18)[27]

EDIT: Levi has see invisibility on. Does he not noticed them?

[Aegis013]

In this particular case, no. They weren't Ethereal prior to appearing around Orchid, it was as though they were suddenly conjured around Orchid. It likely has to do with the large bronze sculpture.

[TheFallenOne]

So I guess we really need to unload whatever we can into them right now before they vanish again. Area of effect if possible, even at the risk of friendly fire. Or maybe better, do we still have a scroll of Mass Snake's Swiftness? We got a lot of combined melee power so I would expect this beats a Fireball each is likely to survive unless hit by further attacks.

Maneuver rolls (1d5)[2] (1d4)[1] (1d3)[1]

[Yas392]

Yeah. This phase spider like encounter is going to be annoying to deadly unless our characters don't do something immediate.

[QuadraticGish]

So I guess we really need to unload whatever we can into them right now before they vanish again. Area of effect if possible, even at the risk of friendly fire. Or maybe better, do we still have a scroll of Mass Snake's Swiftness? We got a lot of combined melee power so I would expect this beats a Fireball each is likely to survive unless hit by further attacks.

Nope, and I rolled poorly in init. I didn't consider situations where it might be more useful than haste considering that they specifically don't stack with any other source of gaining more attacks.

[dantiesilva]

It won't be deadly, Abigale by this point can out heal what most things do for damage. And if they focus fire it makes it even easier for her.

[whoiam]

So, assuming I looked up the right monster listing, Liselle's Dorje of Energy Missile should work pretty well here. 7d6 elemental damage to 5 of them per shot. That said... I don't think we have anyone trained in Use Psionic Device, do we? if we did, I would have been happy to pass it off to someone else and take Liselle into melee...

[QuadraticGish]

So, assuming I looked up the right monster listing, Liselle's Dorje of Energy Missile should work pretty well here. 7d6 elemental damage to 5 of them per shot. That said... I don't think we have anyone trained in Use Psionic Device, do we? if we did, I would have been happy to pass it off to someone else and take Liselle into melee...

Maybe I should ask out how much exp it would be to get access to the psionic artificer stuff and UPD as a class skill.

[Yas392]

It won't be deadly, Abigale by this point can out heal what most things do for damage. And if they focus fire it makes it even easier for her.

Oh yeah, I forget that we have a healer on the team. And we have mitigators as well (Orchid's Aura, Healing Devotion).

This is going to be an annoying fight at least.

[whoiam]

Maybe I should ask out how much exp it would be to get access to the psionic artificer stuff and UPD as a class skill.

Ooh... if alternate class features are buyable, I'm so gonna ask for the Spell-to-Power Erudite's learning spells as powers mechanic (since there's a market selling arcane scrolls up in Solum that Liselle would then be able to learn...)

[Aegis013]

Ooh... if alternate class features are buyable, I'm so gonna ask for the Spell-to-Power Erudite's learning spells as powers mechanic (since there's a market selling arcane scrolls up in Solum that Liselle would then be able to learn...)

Other classes' features aren't available to buy for XP, but Magic-Psionics transparency means UMD can sub for UPD or vice versa. Though if the particular item needs you to invest your own PP or something that could be a potential obstacle, but I don't think that would matter for a Dorje.

[QuadraticGish]

Other classes' features aren't available to buy for XP, but Magic-Psionics transparency means UMD can sub for UPD or vice versa. Though if the particular item needs you to invest your own PP or something that could be a potential obstacle, but I don't think that would matter for a Dorje.

Huh, if that's the case then can I make psionic items as I do magic items provided I have the relevant feats?