Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II

[Thundercracker]

I didn't know we could purchase feats with xp when I joined this game, so... this opens up a whole lot of possibilities, like breaking into dervish and / or getting blood in the water stance for cumulative bonuses for crits, or picking up persistent spell / divine metamagic, or rapid spell to have quicker summoning.

Could I know the xp cost please for the follow feats?
Shadow Blade
Daring Outlaw
Weapon focus
Combat Expertise
Dodge
Mobility
Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Power Critical
Power Attack
Cleave
Martial Study
Martial Maneuver
Extend Spell
Divine Metamagic
Persistent Spell
Rapid Spell
Extra Turning
Augment Summoning
Open Minded

[dantiesilva]

Orchid just wants to get the party to a private place really to discuss what they know on the similarities between the dungeon fruit and elixir to make sure everyone is on the same level regarding it. After that, note it seems like she might've been able to reproduce elixir at a cost and see if the party wants to begin planning something to deal with the situation. Especially considering that with the new information and Orchid's private experiments we can reasonable deduce that the elixir and fruit appear to be fundamentally the same.

I mean that seems like a good enough plan to me, and with us working together I suspect our chances of making a successful batch would go up but it would still require a lot of trial and error. Plus if anyone found out we were trying to recreate Elixir but make it better and not tied to the crown/having to kill, I'm sure they wouldn't be to happy.

This is definitely something Abigale would invest xp into besides feats. As is I am already kinda running out of feats really needed to make the character work so I'm looking for alternatives at this point, and finding a way to get the benefits of the dungeon fruit without running the risk of being trapped in a dungeon sounds like a really good investment. Doubly so if we gain double the bonus as we get it from both sources.

[Yas392]

That reminds me. Can someone compile the list the XP cost of feats that has been appraised by Aegis, private and public?

[dantiesilva]

As a heads up Abigale heals with cure light wounds 26 +10 temp HP, with a possible plus 6 on top from magic of the land. And everything that puts you over Max HP becomes Temp HP

[TheFallenOne]

Faith Unswerving feat - 2,000 XP
Combat Reflexes feat - 1,000 XP
Master rank in the Foundry - have we worked out a benefit for this? I know a spellpool for crafters was mentioned. I think I'd tailor the XP cost to the benefit.

I think the spellpool would be well enough for now far as mechanicas benefits go. The rest can be just fluff.

edit: Can we combine two magic item effects on one item, as per MIC p. 233 for one and a half cost? I already invested a lot in common effects on my healing belt, but now I have a breath weapon I'd rather use a Dragon Spirit Cincture in the belt slot.

[QuadraticGish]

Might want to change your post Yas, I don' think Orchid has mentioned her attempts to make a new elixir to anyone yet.

[Aegis013]

Looking for prices on the following.
Battle Caster(Complete Arcane)
Bonus Essentia
Medium Armor Proficiency

In addition Aegis, I'm locking in the exp required for Xansia level 3.

OK, let me know if you're making any new Xansia items.

Battle Caster(Complete Arcane) - 1,000 XP
Bonus Essentia - 1,000 XP
Medium Armor Proficiency - 500 XP

So retraining rules are 1 feat per level up. So if I move maximize healing to replace augment this I can grab mastery of day and night at 7, that frees up 4k exp to spend as 1k is going to augment healing instantly.

Then I'll buy Ritual blessing for it's 1k as well.

Dumping 3k worth of exp into our research into dungeon fruit and it's cure?

Work has been brutal to me this week. I'll come up with what you learn researching dungeon fruit in a day or two. If it seems like I forgot, remind me.

I didn't know we could purchase feats with xp when I joined this game, so... this opens up a whole lot of possibilities, like breaking into dervish and / or getting blood in the water stance for cumulative bonuses for crits, or picking up persistent spell / divine metamagic, or rapid spell to have quicker summoning.

Could I know the xp cost please for the follow feats?

Shadow Blade - 2,000 XP
Daring Outlaw - 2,000 XP
Weapon focus - 500 XP
Combat Expertise - 500 XP
Dodge - 500 XP
Mobility - 500 XP
Improved Two Weapon Fighting - 2,000 XP
Power Critical - 1,000 XP
Power Attack - - 2,000 XP
Cleave - 1,000 XP
Martial Study - 2,000 XP
Martial Maneuver (Not a feat I know of, if you meant Martial Stance - 2,000 XP)
Extend Spell - 2,000 XP
Divine Metamagic - 10,000 XP
Persistent Spell - 10,000 XP
Rapid Spell - 2,000 XP
Extra Turning - 1,000 XP
Augment Summoning - 2,000 XP
Open Minded - 1,000 XP

That reminds me. Can someone compile the list the XP cost of feats that has been appraised by Aegis, private and public?

I may go through and do this at a later time, though I'm not in the headspace for it tonight.

I think the spellpool would be well enough for now far as mechanicas benefits go. The rest can be just fluff.

edit: Can we combine two magic item effects on one item, as per MIC p. 233 for one and a half cost? I already invested a lot in common effects on my healing belt, but now I have a breath weapon I'd rather use a Dragon Spirit Cincture in the belt slot.

That's fine.

[Yas392]

Might want to change your post Yas, I don' think Orchid has mentioned her attempts to make a new elixir to anyone yet.

Huh? I thought Liselle told the party but it is OOC information. Fixed.

Levi will still want to get vaccinated to rid of the [Evil] properties in his bloodstream that the group identified so he is a willing test subject.

[dantiesilva]

Huh? I thought Liselle told the party but it is OOC information. Fixed.

Levi will still want to get vaccinated to rid of the [Evil] properties in his bloodstream that the group identified so he is a willing test subject.

pure speculation at this point, no actual facts behind it. We know the fruits radiate good and evil, are tied to the elixir, and if you eat to many you are stuck in the dungeon.

OOC I stated the blood test thing, IC Abigail only stated that she wanted to run some tests. Nothing about a vaccine has been mentioned besides the elixir so far IC as we have done nothing into trying to understand/solve the mystery of the Dungeon fruit until this time. It is what we are going to do at said party, and why I dumped 3,000xp into said research.

[whoiam]

Yeah, Liselle mentioned the research the nobles had been doing, since they'd offered Elixir to the new recruits without any explanation of what it was or why they'd want some.

She speculated internally that Orchid might succeed in making her own (based on Orchid's research into the nobles' Elixir after a previous delve), but wasn't going to mention that out loud, because our noble sponsors might have taken it... poorly. Especially the bit where she started her research by peeking into their hidden lab...

[QuadraticGish]

Alright, Orchid is gonna commission Solstafir for some Mithral Sectioned Armor(full) with Heartwire and two improvements going into removing the speed penalties. If I got this right, then 4050gp goes to crafting expensives(3550 after the stipend I think) and then Solstafir gets 2025gp in commission costs. Dunno if I wanna stick with that or get Mechanus Gear for long term right now.

EDIT: Going with Mithral Mechanus Gear with Heartwire with both improvements into Reducing the movement speed penalties down to 25. So, 3675gp in materials(3175 after stipend) and then 1837.5gp of commission to Solstafir.

[QuadraticGish]

Orchid is gonna try creating Xansia crafted Stony Plating(Magic of Eberron). UMD: (1d20+29)[36] vs DC 27.

[Thundercracker]

what would be the cost for getting the keen (+1 enhancement) and / or life stealing property on a kukri?

longsword of life stealing +2 is 25,715, so subtracting out the masterwork and the +2 enhancement it looks like the life stealing property itself is 17,300gp. Let me know if it doesn't work like that.

Edit: Think I'm going to advance thief for the additional BAB, and combined with daring outlaw that will bump SA up to 4d6. Also a level of cloistered cleric for the other side of gestalt. now it's just a question of which feats / equipment to get...

[Yas392]

pure speculation at this point, no actual facts behind it. We know the fruits radiate good and evil, are tied to the elixir, and if you eat to many you are stuck in the dungeon.

OOC I stated the blood test thing, IC Abigail only stated that she wanted to run some tests. Nothing about a vaccine has been mentioned besides the elixir so far IC as we have done nothing into trying to understand/solve the mystery of the Dungeon fruit until this time. It is what we are going to do at said party, and why I dumped 3,000xp into said research.

Levi implied that because:

A) He believes that helping Abigail & Orchid's forays into the Dungeon Fruit as a willing participant in the long run can reverse/cure/reset/nullify the adverse effects of the Dungeon Fruit (e.g reset/abolish count limit, remove bad side effects, remove maker's influence, etc)
B) Abigail is a healer and will attempt to remedy the negative effects affecting the fruit eaters if she found any or if they are evident.
C) Superstition from Liselle's comment about fruit eaters tied to an infernal being, Elixir, the Voice, our characters' alleged findings and his cautious nature in base personality that led to his implication and A.

[QuadraticGish]

what would be the cost for getting the keen (+1 enhancement) and / or life stealing property on a kukri?

longsword of life stealing +2 is 25,715, so subtracting out the masterwork and the +2 enhancement it looks like the life stealing property itself is 17,300gp. Let me know if it doesn't work like that.

Edit: Think I'm going to advance thief for the additional BAB, and combined with daring outlaw that will bump SA up to 4d6. Also a level of cloistered cleric for the other side of gestalt. now it's just a question of which feats / equipment to get...

You might want to wait for confirmation on that from Aegis, but yes that sounds right to me. You may also want to have Solstafir make new kukri's before enchantment to get two critical range extensions on them too so that Keen becomes more effective.

[Thundercracker]

You might want to wait for confirmation on that from Aegis, but yes that sounds right to me. You may also want to have Solstafir make new kukri's before enchantment to get two critical range extensions on them too so that Keen becomes more effective.

Not familiar with critical range extension, how does it work and is it confirmed it stacks with keen? I already have a pair of kukri's +1, will be painful to sell them for half price.

[whoiam]

what would be the cost for getting the keen (+1 enhancement) and / or life stealing property on a kukri?

I considered Keen myself, but I don't think either of our crafters can do a CL10 enchantment yet (I think Orchid can do Artificer+2, which means anything up to CL 9, and Solstafir can do up to CL6).

[QuadraticGish]

Not familiar with critical range extension, how does it work and is it confirmed it stacks with keen? I already have a pair of kukri's +1, will be painful to sell them for half price.

From what I recall, he can improve three different attributes of the weapon by one step, or one by two steps. I.e, you could increase damage dice, crit range, and crit multiplier all by one or increase the threat range by two. And I'm not how the stacking works with keen.

I considered Keen myself, but I don't think either of our crafters can do a CL10 enchantment yet (I think Orchid can do Artificer+2, which means anything up to CL 9, and Solstafir can do up to CL6).

Effectiveness takes my actual caster level into account, so I can't do any higher than a +2 weapon with +2 worth of special abilities. I think.

[whoiam]

I actually meant the CL10 minimum for the Keen enchantment specifically, not that I thought Orchid couldn't do a +1/+1 Ability weapon:

Moderate transmutation; CL 10th; Craft Magic Arms and Armor, keen edge; Price +1 bonus.

[Yas392]

Can Orchid make a CL6 heal scroll?

[QuadraticGish]

I actually meant the CL10 minimum for the Keen enchantment specifically, not that I thought Orchid couldn't do a +1/+1 Ability weapon:

Nah, I don't need to pay attention to the CL on the specific enchantments. Just the number of plusses required.

Can Orchid make a CL6 heal scroll?

Only CL5 heal scrolls, and I already have one planned. If you want to use it through, keep in mind that Artificer scrolls require UMD to activate even if it's normally on your spell list.

[Yas392]

Only CL5 heal scrolls, and I already have one planned. If you want to use it through, keep in mind that Artificer scrolls require UMD to activate even if it's normally on your spell list.

Levi is a buyer then. UMD is not a problem, he can take 10. Adept list, right?

[Thundercracker]

Keen property specifically states it doesn’t stack with anything else that expands crit threat range. Honestly doubling 18-20 to 15-20 is good enough for me.

[QuadraticGish]

Levi is a buyer then. UMD is not a problem, he can take 10. Adept list, right?

Sorry, I goofed. CL 7 heal is the lowest limit. I think each one is 675, with 84.375 of that being Orchid's commission. And yes, from the Adept list.

[Yas392]

Sorry, I goofed. CL 7 heal is the lowest limit. I think each one is 675, with 84.375 of that being Orchid's commission. And yes, from the Adept list.

Is commission 15% of shop price?

[QuadraticGish]

Is commission 15% of shop price?

I should stop doing math late at night; I got it entirely wrong because I forgot to account for the xp discount. Crafting cost with GP only shold be 590.625 GP, with 15% commission(based on market price) adding another 168.75GP for a total of 759.38GP rounded up. Someone double check that if it looks wrong because I'm doing this math right before bed basically.

[Yas392]

590.625 GP is total cost from my calculation.

25 x 5 (Spell Level) x 7 (Caster Level) = 875 gold

52.5% of 875 is 459.375

15% of 875 is 131.25

Adding them together totals 590.625 or 591 gold (rounded up).

[QuadraticGish]

590.625 GP is total cost from my calculation.

25 x 5 (Spell Level) x 7 (Caster Level) = 875 gold

52.5% of 875 is 459.375

15% of 875 is 131.25

Adding them together totals 590.625 or 591 gold (rounded up).

\Artificers still have to pay for the minimum caster level for scrolls I believe. So you have to calc the cost as if it was CL9 instead of CL7 because of how their spell emulation works. I also have the feats to reduce GP and XP costs by 25%.

[Yas392]

\Artificers still have to pay for the minimum caster level for scrolls I believe. So you have to calc the cost as if it was CL9 instead of CL7 because of how their spell emulation works. I also have the feats to reduce GP and XP costs by 25%.

In that case, I got the same calculations as your previous post.

[Aegis013]

Orchid is gonna try creating Xansia crafted Stony Plating(Magic of Eberron). UMD: [roll0] vs DC 27.

Stony Plating (Xansia):
As normal except
Bonus: 50% chance to ignore being critical hit
Penalty: Being critically hit is now more deadly, the enemy's critical multiplier is counted as 1 higher.

what would be the cost for getting the keen (+1 enhancement) and / or life stealing property on a kukri?

longsword of life stealing +2 is 25,715, so subtracting out the masterwork and the +2 enhancement it looks like the life stealing property itself is 17,300gp. Let me know if it doesn't work like that.

Edit: Think I'm going to advance thief for the additional BAB, and combined with daring outlaw that will bump SA up to 4d6. Also a level of cloistered cleric for the other side of gestalt. now it's just a question of which feats / equipment to get...

If a crafter can craft the property in question, that's fine, but there's no magic mart.

Keen property specifically states it doesn’t stack with anything else that expands crit threat range. Honestly doubling 18-20 to 15-20 is good enough for me.

Probably improve the critical multiplier.