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Thread: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
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2022-03-21, 04:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
I have not been in any of his game so no.
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2022-03-21, 10:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
Yeah, I don't have any contact outside this game, either.
@QuadraticGish Maybe you should just go ahead and get the party started? If he's not back in time for the next delve, we'll just have to go tankless. If nothing else, we've got plenty of healers to cover for Lis' inability to heal herself...Currently Running:
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2022-03-22, 01:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-03-22, 09:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
@QuadraticGish What is the XP discount for scrolls? 50% XP?
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2022-03-22, 09:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-03-22, 10:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
I will wait until you give me an example to clear things up. Getting confused with the calculations in XP values. Using headband of intellect +2 as an example from your post. I got 56.25% from wondrous item.
4000 x .28125 = 1125 gold for crafting cost
4000 x .15 = 600 gold for commission
1575 - 1125 = 450 gold converted from 1:5
450/5 = 90
90/160 = 0.5625 or 56.25% cost in XP
1125/25 = 160 original XP cost without discount.
EDIT: And I will have to recalculate XP for wondrous items because I thought I need to sacrifice 1/2 of 160 XP when it is a tiny bit more.Last edited by Yas392; 2022-03-22 at 10:42 AM.
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2022-03-22, 10:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
If you want to pay the traditional way, then yes, the costs for a 4000GP wondrous item from Orchid are (90xp + 1125gp) in crafting costs, and an extra 600gp in Orchid's commission.
Personally, I find the bookkeeping a lot easier if I just convert my excess XP pool into GP and do all the maths in GP (equivalent) alone. Since we're freely allowed to convert any expense between the two, there's really no good reason to calculate them separately.Currently Running:
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2022-03-22, 11:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
I'll be slowing down for a few days. Had a death in the family.
My posting may be slowed due to new job.
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2022-03-23, 01:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
My condolences.
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2022-03-23, 06:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-03-24, 01:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-03-24, 02:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-03-24, 04:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
Take care Gish.
Updated purchase list
Funds:
2824.54 previous funds
22,704.17 loot share
34,995 from XP
738.3 comission from Orchid
500 Gp crafting stipend
900 comission from crafting stipend, assuming noone intends to turn down free money except for Abigail with her VoP.
Plus any other crafting comissions that might come up.
adds up currently to 62,662.01
Corpsecrafter feat(10,000 GP)
Devoted Bulwark feat(5,000 GP)
Faith Unswerving feat(10,000 GP)
Combat Reflexes feat(5,000 GP)
Quick Draw feat(2500 GP)
Chained Undead template on Annis. Weapon used: Cold Iron spiked gauntlet(6,103.33 GP)
Master rank in the Foundry(unknown cost)
Make my axe, armor and shield +1 each: 2,100 GP
3 Lesser Iron Ward Diamonds: 3,150 GP
Least Crystal of Arrow Deflection: 262.5 GP
6 Lesser Crystals of Life Drinking: 4,725 GP
Martial Discipline Weapon(Devoted Spirit)[+1 equivalent] on my axe: 3150 GP
Fearsome armor enchantment on plate(DotU): 2625 GP
+1 Natural armor common effect on plate: 1100 GP
Amulet of Incarnum Shielding, lest I get punched: 826.88 GP plus 315 GP comission to Orchid
add Dragon Spirit Cincture effect to Healing Belt: 935.16 GP plus 356.25 GP comission to Orchid
add Anklet of Translocation effect to boots: 826.87 GP plus 315 GP comission to Orchid
craft large dwarvencraft mithral chainshirt: 450 GP
58754.74
Comission: 986.25
=59640.99
Here's something I said prior on crafting.
I'd definitely recommend you get a fresh set of gear now you can be partnered with a quality crafter. You should invest on a special material on the kukris, it really pays off long-term as enhancements keep getting more expensive and the cost of adamantine or the like becomes a drop in the bucket.
For the three improvements on the kukris the two best approaches I see are as follows: improve crit multiplyer twice, giving you 18-20/x4 and later on get Keen or Improved Critical for 15-20, which will make for a quite brutal setup. Or spread it out over damage, crit range and multiplyer, giving you 1d6 base damage, 17-20/x3. This one seems weaker overall as the die increase is just one extra damage on d4 to d6, whereas for me with a large dwarven waraxe it goes from 2d8 to 3d8.Last edited by TheFallenOne; 2022-03-25 at 09:35 AM.
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2022-03-24, 05:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
Alright. I still need a bit of time on my shopping; I got roughly 22k left to handle. Real quick though, since the next delve is ready should a different thread be made for handling that dinner? I'm kind of expecting that discussion to last quite a while and I don't want to clog up the thread while we delve.
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2022-03-24, 05:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
I updated my purchases. I am happy that my remaining gold and XP are decimal free. Now to contemplate which junk feat to splurge my XP on.
Last edited by Yas392; 2022-03-24 at 05:11 PM.
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2022-03-25, 11:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
Thanks for putting all that together, I would also go with the crit multiplier, as I’m going to pick up the wand of keen edge. The duration is long enough it should last through a full delve. Will take up the offer on the Mithral breastplate +1 as well. Why adamantine for the kukris though?
TC for short
"I like the sense of chaos this game provides. OOC, I like that I cannot know every available avenue, but that I can pursue whatever avenue I so choose. IC, I like that what I am doing has consequences. It's very very real." --Noedig
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2022-03-25, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
How much free crafting we can get from Solstafir again? 500 gold?
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2022-03-25, 12:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
500gp in free materials. You still have to pay Solstafir's commission on whatever you make (and any materials costs above 500gp), so it's not quite free free. Still a nice cheap way to pick up equipment, though.
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2022-03-25, 12:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
I will swap to Solstarfir for upgrading his buckler then since Levi will save 500 gold. Might as well use it. Sorry Orchid.
Last edited by Yas392; 2022-03-25 at 12:54 PM.
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2022-03-25, 01:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
Just an example, though it wouldn't be a bad choice since adamantine is the common damage reduction type for constructs and you lose a good chunk of offensive power on things immune to crit and sneak attack.
Abyssal Bloodiron from Planar Handbook is also an interesting option since it confers a +4 bonus on crit confirmation which would go great with your build. Add Power Critical on top of that and almost any threat you roll will confirm. Though it would be a more costly option since like cold iron it increases the cost of any magical enhancement by 2.000 GP.
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2022-03-25, 04:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
Spending 3,000 XP on information about the Dungeon Fruit and Elixir and a cure (presumably for Dungeon Fruit side effects), Abigail finds out the following information, building on what Orchid and others were able to collect.
Dungeon Fruit can't be replicated precisely outside of the Dungeon. There's also not much in the way of records available as anything related to the Infernal Voice, which Dungeon Fruit are is knowledge suppressed by the Bureaucracy. Abigail either has to be covert in her investigation or go straight to Prince Atticus.
Elixir is specifically Prince Atticus' attempt to replicate the Dungeon Fruit's beneficial effects and ideally not incur the same side-effects that some who partake suffer from. It seems the magic and knowledge of Solum isn't able to deal with these side effects at all in most cases. As an example, if someone loses their sight as a side effect then magic won't restore it. It's as if the change is innate rather than being something like damage or a disease.
Elixir is created using parts of [Good] and [Evil] Outsiders as well as some other ingredients which aren't quite so unsavory. Given that there's almost no data regarding Elixir, any potential side-effects are unknown. There don't seem to be any so far, and if there are side-effects, they're subtle enough to be outside of Solum's ability to detect currently.
(New info):
Coordinating with the knowledge gained from the rest of the group and what tidbits can be recalled from Atticus' lab and the like, Abigail is able to discern that at least some parts of the Elixir needs to be obtained from the Outsiders against their will, while the Outsider is alive, and it seems inflicting suffering when obtaining the ingredient improves the quality. It's only a hypothesis, though you suspect you need to get the [Good] Outsider material this way. It also seems the rank of the Outsider is going to have a dramatic effect on potency of the finished product. A Lantern Archon isn't going to give nearly as powerful a result as a Solar, for example.
Generally most Outsiders are found in the dungeon, and it's not especially uncommon for the monster corpses to be extracted for use (Solstafir does this). Though Abigail is able to uncover a few instances that seem like live specimens were brought out for study or similar, though the trails on that run dry pretty quickly as the Bureaucracy is pretty good about keeping those things out of the public knowledge. Non-Solumites coming out from the Dungeon alive isn't supposed to happen and the last one on record was a massive catastrophe. It's the reason why there is still a shattered obelisk in the memorials to the dead on the long march to the Dungeon, so this discovery seems suspect. Trying to find names of Delvers who may have done or participated in this, it seems they have died or disappeared and are presumed dead, but the only three Abigail can definitively identify were linked to the royal court either through familial ties, debts or even official sponsorships by referencing their public records. Abigail is able to link two directly to Atticus, even though this appears to be well over 40 years ago. Atticus doesn't appear old enough to have been in such a prestigious position at that time given he's supposedly human.
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2022-03-25, 04:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
@Aegis013 Thank you for the information, it has been added to my first OOC post. And I will relay said information at the party to the others when we do that scene, though still unsure if we are doing that in a separate thread so we can keep things moving or not. I think she may hire her brother to do a little digging into/try to procure a sample of the elixir at a later date for the party so that they have a baseline to work from as well. This is a lot of useful information to be sure though and raises a lot of questions, including morale ones from her point of view.
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2022-03-26, 01:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
Alright finally finalizing my shopping. For everyone else, Orchid managed to reach a +30 bonus on UMD so she auto passes any UMD checks necessary for anyone's stuff. Tomorrow I'll get that post going.
Spoiler: Orchid's Shopping list
Starting GP: 2076.01 from last time
22704gp from this delve
7999xp, 200 reserve, 700 graft reserve
986.25gp from Solstafir
3510gp from Alistair
8778.75gp from Levi
2970gp from Liselle
500gp from stipend
Total: 41925.01
Bonemail: -4500gp; -360 graft reserve
Shudder Plate -2250gp, -180 graft reserve
Scrolls of Hastex2(CL5): -281.25 gp, -22xp
Gauntlets of Ghostfighting: -1125gp, -90xp
True Believer(Heironeous) Feat -500xp
Glaring Eye -2812.5 gp, -65xp -160xp
Xansia up to L3 -2352xp
Scrolls of Fireball(CL5): -421.87gp, -33xp
Scroll of Wall of Sand(CL 7): -262.5gp, -21xp
Scroll of Heal(CL 7) -421.87gp, -33
Boneplating -2531.25gp, -3 xp -200 reserve
Stony Plating(Xansia) -787.5gp, -175xp
Heart of Steel -2531.25gp, -202.5xp
Scrolls of Dispel Magicx3 -421.87 gp, -33xp
Battle Caster feat: -1000xp
Medium Armor Prof: -500xp
Mithral Mechanius Gear with Heartwire -5012.5 gp -500 stipend(Solstafir's share mentioned elsewhere
Extra Essentia Feat: -1000xp
Buffeting Fists -3656.25gp, -292.2xp
Fiendish EAr -703.125gp, -56.25xp
Oceanic Adaptation -2250gp, -180xp
Deathless Flesh -9281.25gp, -742.5xp
Goring Horn -630xp
Stony Plating -1102.5 xp
Remaining GP: 672.52(Rounded down)
Remaining XP: 68(Rounded down)
Last edited by QuadraticGish; 2022-04-08 at 09:24 AM.
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2022-03-26, 05:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
TC for short
"I like the sense of chaos this game provides. OOC, I like that I cannot know every available avenue, but that I can pursue whatever avenue I so choose. IC, I like that what I am doing has consequences. It's very very real." --Noedig
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2022-03-26, 07:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
I should be done with shopping. Tentatively. Can I convert Levi's surplus EXP to gold? I am seeing feats in gold costs.
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2022-03-26, 12:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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There'd be one trick around it: Dragonshard Pommel Stones from Forge of War, p. 121. It's basically enchanted like a weapon and can be attached to any MW weapon to confer its abilities. Cost is 1/4 above what it normally would be. So you'd get a +1 for 2500 GP, which is much better than 4K. But in the late game once you get to the big stuff it swings the other way around, going from +4 to +5 costs you 22.5K, compared to 20K with the static increase per enchantment.
Honestly, we're miles ahead of WBL in this game, so you might as well splurge on something that is expensive but offers great synergy with your build. But it's your call, and I certainly have a horse in this raise given the potential comission I'd make
Yeah you can convert gold and XP at a 5:1 ratio.
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2022-03-26, 01:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
Okay, should I go ahead and make a new thread for the dinner discussion so we can try to avoid confusion with the dungeon run in the IC thread?
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2022-03-26, 03:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
You can convert XP to GP for the purposes of making a purchase, though you're not able to convert XP to GP to carry forward through the next Delve. It's best to spend all XP before the next delve, if you can.
Feel free to have the dinner conversation in the IC thread if desired. I have the next module all picked out and everything, though as long as everybody is happy with the game pace, there's no rush on starting the delve.
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2022-03-26, 05:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aegis' Dungeoncrawler OOC II
I thought it is for crafting purposes but that is even better.
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2022-03-30, 05:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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