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2022-06-06, 08:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
Not to imply anything, exactly, but...has a character from an Asian property ever won a Death Battle over one from a Western property?
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2022-06-06, 09:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-06-06, 09:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-06-06, 10:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
Just google it? There's a bunch. Off the top of my head...Broly over Hulk, 18 over Captain Marvel. I don't even follow Death Battle that closely so I don't even know half the matches.
Here: https://deathbattle.fandom.com/wiki/...Battle_Winners
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2022-06-06, 11:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
I was able to find about a dozen on that list.
Spoiler: Fourteen, actuallyYoshi v. Riptor
Gundam Epyon v. Tigerzord
Solid Snake v. Sam Fisher
Raiden v. Wolverine
Amy Rose v. Ramona Flowers
Sub-Zero v. Glacius
Android 18 v. Captain Marvel
Lucy v. Carnage
Mitsuru v. Weiss
Mechagodzilla v. Dragonzord
Shoto Todoroki v. Zuko
Crona v. Venom
Talbain v. Sabrewulf
Broly v. Hulk
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2022-06-07, 01:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
SpoilerYeah, I'm giving it to Wukong on the 'literally immortal in five different ways, one of which makes him indestructible' part. If they're not including Herakles's ascension to godhood or Wukong becoming a Bhudda than I can see the Great Sage, Equal of Heaven winning via outliving his opponent.
Arguably showing the limitations of the 'to the death' format, because I'd fully believe that Herakles could force Wukong to submit.
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2022-06-07, 03:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
Spoiler: Next TimeGonna make my call on this one- Hydra Blood arrows. Herakles has a handful of mind-blowingly nasty toys, and the Hydra Blood arrows can cause unending, screaming agony in questionably-mortal demigods, so there's at the very least a case to be made for them to work on true immortals as well.
So while the Monkey King may not be able to die, Herakles has a pretty good chance of making him desperately wish he could.Times being what they are, the stars aligning and the End of All Things barely registered as background noise.
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2022-06-07, 03:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
SpoilerWhich is great, and one of the things I've considered. Unfortunately, Wukong is immune to poison; one of his forms of immortality gives him complete control over his body and it's one of the things the Gods unsuccessfully tried to kill him with.
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2022-06-07, 03:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
SpoilerYeah, Wukong is insane. As I said I fully believe that Herakles could defeat Wukong, either via potentially knocking him unconscious or more likely causing enough pain to make him surrender, but unfortunately the line here is killing.
One side is almost certainly stronger, while the other is definitely significantly more durable. Wukong survived having a mountain thrown on him, and then when the magic seal was removed destroyed the mountain to escape. So while he might not be quite as strong, he's almost certainly strong enough to hurt Herc.
Hmmm... how many tons of TNT does it take to summersault the diameter of the earth a couple of times in a single bound?
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On the other hand my main reference for Journey to the West is Monkey, which 1) is a lot less serious, 2) by my understanding reduced his powers somewhat, and 3) has had it's theme tune stuck in my head ever since I watched the first episode.Last edited by Anonymouswizard; 2022-06-07 at 03:34 AM.
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2022-06-07, 02:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
Spoiler: Next TimeOn the other hand, the scorpion's poison does work on him, and he certainly isn't immune to pain considering that's how he's kept under control during the journey to the west.
But I do think Wukong will win as Herakles is not immortal, and if you take him at his end as a god, then Wukong gets to be a buddha, so that evens out. Plus Wukong has beat up gods before, and Greek gods have been surpassed by mortals and other gods before. While no one has managed to kill Wukong despite the best efforts of nearly everyone.
So while Herakles might be able to make Wukong suffer, Wukong can actually kill Herakles in return.Spoiler: I'm a writer!Spoiler: Check out my fanfiction[URL="https://www.fanfiction.net/u/7493788/Forum-Explorer"here[/URL]
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2022-06-07, 03:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
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2022-06-07, 04:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
Spoiler: Next TimeSure, but there is a big difference between being debatably immortal, and proven immortal. Herakles never had his head chopped off, and when someone interfered with popping his head back on, proceeded to simply regrow his head instead. Son Wukong did exactly that.
And really a big difference between the two is that during the Journey of the West, Son Wukong is, as far as I know, never personally in danger. Everything is trying to kill his companions, but nothing can do more than hurt him. (Though some things can hurt him)
Herakles might succeed in all his tasks, but there is the expectation that if he fails he could be seriously hurt or even killed.Spoiler: I'm a writer!Spoiler: Check out my fanfiction[URL="https://www.fanfiction.net/u/7493788/Forum-Explorer"here[/URL]
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2022-06-07, 04:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
SpoilerSo you're saying that Herakles is a character that pushes past his limits, while Son Wukong is a character without limits?
Anyways, I'm gonna predict that the fight does end with Hydra blood arrows, but Son Wukong tanks them and uses them on Herakles instead. We know those can kill Herakles and it gives the fight a nice final twist that Death Battle seems to love.
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2022-06-07, 05:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
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2022-06-08, 02:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
I'm going to dispense with the spoiler tags now that it's been 48 hours. That's mostly true, but the whole reason he was in a position for the Gods to try and execute him was because Prince Erlang beat him in a fight then captured him when he tried to escape. He was unable to keep him captured or effectively punish him, but in a fight that wasn't to the death it's conceivable that Herakles could beat Wukong enough to make him run away and effectively become the Winner Via Surrender. Unfortunately for him, Death Battle rules don't count that as a win and without shapeshifting of his own the only thing he can do if Wukong retreats is shoot him with an arrow-which isn't enough to stop him.
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2022-06-08, 04:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
TBF... Herakles defeated and grievously wounded more than one god... One of them being an Olympian. I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that Greek gods aren't immortal....
In fact, what happens if one character is explicitly immortal in his story, but another one is explicitly capable of killing immortal beings in his one? Did the latter not actually meet any true immortals or is it the former who simply never met anything capable of killing him?Last edited by Lemmy; 2022-06-08 at 04:26 AM.
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2022-06-08, 05:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
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2022-06-08, 06:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
I think you're thinking of Idunn's apples in Norse mythology.
As far as "how immortal is immortal", I think what matters is that Sun Wukong is considered unkillable even by other gods and immortals in his setting, whereas Greek gods and equivalents (see: Titans) are considered universally capable of being slain by other godlike beings.
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2022-06-08, 06:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
No, Sun Wukong has such a story, too. About eating peaches from the garden of the Jade Emperor. And I think there's more stories like that centering about the respective most prominent local fruit in other mythologies. Probably something to be learned about the importance of fruit in early agricultural societies.
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2022-06-08, 10:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
They're naturally immortal, but not eternally youthful: Depending on the story, the Greek Gods maintained their youth by either eating golden apples from a tree in a garden maintained by the daughters of the Titan Atlas, which were in turn guarded by a serpent or dragon named Ladon, or by the regular consumption of nectar and ambrosia(in which case the golden apples were just fancy apples)
Stepping lightly here, "fruit/food of the gods" is a bit of a recurring theme in the general.Last edited by Rater202; 2022-06-08 at 10:03 AM.
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2022-06-08, 10:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
I mean... They are immortal enough to be chewed and digested for years and still be fine... As well as surviving wounds such as having their head split to give birth to another deity.
I'm not sure how a Buddha and the gods relate and compare to each other in Chinese mythology and the Sun Wukong stories... But I guess it's fair to say ascending to Bhudda was a step up in power for him... And Herakles did harm purely divine beings (causing great pain, and sometimes almost killing them)... And that was before he ascended to godhood.
Does the Monkey King ever kill a god? I know he beats some of them a few times, but does he ever kill one?
So... Are the Greek gods not as resilient as Sun Wukong... Or do the Chinese gods simply not the same raw power as Herakles is?? Impossible to tell. There's no definitive answer here, really... It's based on personal interpretation and preference, TBH.
I'm guessing they will give the win to Sun Wukong... But whatever the result may be, this is one of the few cases where whatever conclusion they reach just as valid as anyone else's.Homebrew Stuff:- Lemmy's Custom Weapon Generation System! - (D&D 3.X and PF)
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2022-06-08, 10:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
I still think that Saitama vs Popeye is the closest they've ever been to fair and unbiased. No cherrypicking, no obvious mistakes in the math, no deliberately misrepresenting feats, and no ignoring authorial statements.
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2022-06-08, 11:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
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2022-06-08, 02:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
Does Wukong have any sort of mind control powers? Herc is explicitly vulnerable to those.
Otherwise, Hercules is just an order of magnitude more powerful than Sun Wukong. Wukong gets downed by things like being lit on fire and jumping in a river, diamond manacles, or 3 mountains landing on him. Hercules could tank any of those with ease. As far as Hercules scaling to other gods...let's not forget that when the Greek Gods were scared of losing to the Titans, Hercules is who they called to turn the tide, and he's at least as instrumental in their victory as Zeus. He's not only as powerful as they are, he's the one they call when **** hits the fan.
Meanwhile, Wukong's best feat of leaping to the edge of the universe is more metaphorical in reference to Buddha's reach than an actual distance...although I have no doubt that DB will take it literally and give Wukong infinite speed.
The only way Wukong might "realistically" win is if Hercules lacks a way to deal with his regeneration and put him down for good. DB will give it to him based on misinterpreting his speed though.Last edited by Anteros; 2022-06-08 at 02:12 PM.
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2022-06-08, 02:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
I don't know, DB has a history of undervaluing regeneration or assuming that you can brute force your way through defensive abilities that explicitly require some very specific means to bypass.
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2022-06-08, 03:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
Obviously they will show us god of war whichever had kratos face hercules and say "Ok, thats his durability limit" :p
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2022-06-08, 04:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
The Titanomachy occurs before *humanity*, let alone Zeus getting freaky with any to make demigods. Heracles is not in *any* of the versions of it. He is in *some* versions of the Gigantomachy but his great feat of strength there is dragging a half dead giant around after he's shot it with an arrow. (removing it from its place of power and allowing the poison to actually kill it).
Heracles the greek demigod /= Hercules the Disney cartoon.
You have completely upended the power scale of these two characters. Heracles in every story *except* the Gigantomachy is a still-mortal demigod who performs feats which would be great for a mortal. Sun Wukong is unkillable (he attained immortality *seven* different ways), barely stoppable in combat (he singlehandedly fought the 100,000 strong army of heaven and several gods), and absolutely irrepressible save only by the Buddha himself.
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2022-06-08, 05:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Death Battle Season 9: We're Never Getting Galactus vs. Unicron, Are We?
Regardless of whether it's Titans or Giants, the story is explicit that Hercules is the reason they won.
I must have also missed the time when normal mortals went into the underworld, wrestled cerberus to submission and left under their own power. These are just the most base myths. There's a whole "expanded universe" of purported feats from Greek mythology that aren't included in the base 12 labors.