Grrl Power VII: Let Me Explain For The Next Thirty Comics!

[lord_khaine]

No thats the point i was trying to make. You forgot to name a country yourself

A citizen of the fictional nation of the United Steaks goes around in another country

Another country is suposedly not the same as Chocolate land.
Its Another country i claim have an actual justified claim on the Steakian mass murderer.
The actual victims i would claim, are the dead bakers and their families.
And it seems fully reasonable they try and petition to have the murderer handed over to Another country for trial.

Since the problem with the alternative, becomes that people are suddenly not equal before the law.
They would not be, if citizens carried a tiny pocket of their native laws with them.
So that stealing from a Chocolater got you month in jail. While stealing from a Baker got your hand chopped off.

Alas. International relations are tricky. Hence i dont argue about whats legal or likely with Darude.
Only with what would be justified.

While as for Darude. He got knocked down while brawling with a couple civilians.
And then picked up by law enforcement. I think you can say Galtyn captured him.

[Keltest]

No thats the point i was trying to make. You forgot to name a country yourself



Another country is suposedly not the same as Chocolate land.
Its Another country i claim have an actual justified claim on the Steakian mass murderer.
The actual victims i would claim, are the dead bakers and their families.
And it seems fully reasonable they try and petition to have the murderer handed over to Another country for trial.

Since the problem with the alternative, becomes that people are suddenly not equal before the law.
They would not be, if citizens carried a tiny pocket of their native laws with them.
So that stealing from a Chocolater got you month in jail. While stealing from a Baker got your hand chopped off.

Alas. International relations are tricky. Hence i dont argue about whats legal or likely with Darude.
Only with what would be justified.

While as for Darude. He got knocked down while brawling with a couple civilians.
And then picked up by law enforcement. I think you can say Galtyn captured him.

In my mind, Another Country was the Nation of Chocolate. Or an amalgamation of several nations, including Chocolate, where this was going down. Which admittedly does explain a lot about the disagreement.

[The Glyphstone]

Dave, repeat after me. Phonetic Aksents are never as funny as they seem in your head.

[lord_khaine]

Dave, repeat after me. -X- are never as funny as they seem in your head.

Sadly generally appliable

[InvisibleBison]

Dave, repeat after me. Phonetic Aksents are never as funny as they seem in your head.

Yeah, my reaction to this scene was not amusement but confusion - why is there a seemingly Jamaican man on a fishing boat of the coast of Senegal, and why doesn't his son have the same accent as him?

[Shining Wrath]

The clumsy accent detracted from the punchline, which actually wasn't bad.
"Those clouds? Good fishing".
"That set over there? Squalls".
"The clouds dancing? Ass-kicking imminent."

[Traab]

He has an interesting history with accents. In that he tends to really enjoy spelling them out when they are particularly strong like varia and her boston accent. This case is different however, in that we have to wonder why they are speaking english to each other in the first place? French is the "official" language of senegal, and there are a ton of others listed like Wolof, Pulaar, Mandinka, Balanta-Ganja, Mandjak, Hassaniya Arabic, Noon, Jola-Fonyi, Serer, Soninke, and Mankanya. English isnt even on the list.

[Shining Wrath]

He has an interesting history with accents. In that he tends to really enjoy spelling them out when they are particularly strong like varia and her boston accent. This case is different however, in that we have to wonder why they are speaking english to each other in the first place? French is the "official" language of senegal, and there are a ton of others listed like Wolof, Pulaar, Mandinka, Balanta-Ganja, Mandjak, Hassaniya Arabic, Noon, Jola-Fonyi, Serer, Soninke, and Mankanya. English isnt even on the list.

Also, you wouldn't go over Senegal on your way to the United States from Mozambique. You'd be further south, like Gabon.

[Mechalich]

Also, you wouldn't go over Senegal on your way to the United States from Mozambique. You'd be further south, like Gabon.

Plausibly it might actually be faster for Maxima to go around the Cape out to see before turning north, assuming she can go much faster over ocean because she doesn't have to worry about the impact of her supersonic speeds. In certain circumstances she'd also want to think about over-the-pole routes.

[lord_khaine]

Im not certain going over the ocean means she can unleash more super sonic booms.
If anything i would assume smaller boats would be even more vulnerable to them than someone at land.

[InvisibleBison]

Im not certain going over the ocean means she can unleash more super sonic booms.
If anything i would assume smaller boats would be even more vulnerable to them than someone at land.

I suspect it's a lot easier for her to find routes that don't go near ships than ones that don't go near towns.

[Shining Wrath]

I suspect it's a lot easier for her to find routes that don't go near ships than ones that don't go near towns.

Except ships move and are in unpredictable places, unless she's tapped into US intelligence and they can route her. Which, actually, is likely.

[Mechalich]

Except ships move and are in unpredictable places, unless she's tapped into US intelligence and they can route her. Which, actually, is likely.

Actually, every commercial vessel on the planet (and most yachts above a certain size) is continually location tracked using GPS through the AIS database. You can view a free live feed here.

[KillianHawkeye]

I suspect it's a lot easier for her to find routes that don't go near ships than ones that don't go near towns.

Except ships move and are in unpredictable places, unless she's tapped into US intelligence and they can route her. Which, actually, is likely.

Actually, every commercial vessel on the planet (and most yachts above a certain size) is continually location tracked using GPS through the AIS database. You can view a free live feed here.

I'd also expect there are certain sea regions, shipping lanes, et cetera, which are more frequently traveled by ships, and others which are relatively devoid of traffic where it would be pretty safe to go at max speed.

[lord_khaine]

Actually, every commercial vessel on the planet (and most yachts above a certain size) is continually location tracked using GPS through the AIS database. You can view a free live feed here.

Its the smaller ones im worried about anyway.

[Traab]

Its the smaller ones im worried about anyway.

Would the smaller ones without trackers be far out at sea? Also, would sonic booms even be an issue for anyone at sea level considering maxima is probably cruising at an altitude many thousands of feet in the air? How far do sonic booms travel from a man sized projectile and still be capable of causing damage?

[lord_khaine]

Would the smaller ones without trackers be far out at sea? Also, would sonic booms even be an issue for anyone at sea level considering maxima is probably cruising at an altitude many thousands of feet in the air? How far do sonic booms travel from a man sized projectile and still be capable of causing damage?

Quite possibly. Some small sail boats does cross the oceans. Some nordic guy did in a reef boat once.
And if Max is that high up her sonic boom isnt doing damage. Then no reason to stick to the sea.

[halfeye]

Quite possibly. Some small sail boats does cross the oceans. Some nordic guy did in a reef boat once.
And if Max is that high up her sonic boom isnt doing damage. Then no reason to stick to the sea.

Concorde was banned from supersonic flight over land, farmers said it upset their cattle, and that was enough. It's national law, not international, but it is pretty near universal and it applies.

[InvisibleBison]

Concorde was banned from supersonic flight over land, farmers said it upset their cattle, and that was enough. It's national law, not international, but it is pretty near universal and it applies.

The only laws that apply to Maxima are the ones she chooses to follow, and in an emergency like this I think she'd be willing to annoy a few cows.

[Keltest]

The only laws that apply to Maxima are the ones she chooses to follow, and in an emergency like this I think she'd be willing to annoy a few cows.

Thats generally not how laws work, in fact. Doubly so as a member of the US military.

[InvisibleBison]

Thats generally not how laws work, in fact. Doubly so as a member of the US military.

Laws work because the government can punish people for breaking them. Who exactly can punish Maxima if she decides she doesn't want to follow a certain law?

[Keltest]

Laws work because the government can punish people for breaking them. Who exactly can punish Maxima if she decides she doesn't want to follow a certain law?

The rest of Archon probably. Dabbler was able to fight her to a standstill, so with a team behind her they collectively could probably win, though maybe not without casualties.

[InvisibleBison]

The rest of Archon probably. Dabbler was able to fight her to a standstill, so with a team behind her they collectively could probably win, though maybe not without casualties.

Maybe Archon can defeat Maxima, but can they take her prisoner and hold her for an extended period of time? We don't know the details of how the in-comic US legal system has changed to accommodate superheroes, but I highly doubt it has gotten rid of trials.

[The Glyphstone]

If Kevin got some sort of trial, it happened entirely off camera.

[InvisibleBison]

If Kevin got some sort of trial, it happened entirely off camera.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

[Yuki Akuma]

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

So?

The statement you are responding to is still completely accurate. If Kevin got a trial - that's past tense you know - it happened off-screen. Because we didn't see it.

[InvisibleBison]

So?

The statement you are responding to is still completely accurate. If Kevin got a trial - that's past tense you know - it happened off-screen. Because we didn't see it.

The Glyphstone seemed to be implying that the fact that we haven't seen anything of Kevin's trial was evidence for the notions that supercriminals don't get trials. My post was a rebuttal of this notion.

[Mechalich]

Dabbler states in comic #968 that Vehemence "wasn't doing well in prison." This implies he was given a trial, because you only get sent to prison, as opposed to jail or some other form of pre-trial detention post-sentencing. Given the relatively short in-universe timeframe this suggests that Archon worked to expedite the trial proceedings or that Vehemence took some kind of plea deal. Plausibly, given the whole mind-control aspect of the brawl and messy overlap that would result, he simply pled to an extremely large number of counts of 'assaulting a federal officer' and 'destruction of property' - offenses where guilt is clear and easy to establish and was given a suitably lengthy prison term with the other charges never adjudicated.

[lord_khaine]

The rest of Archon probably. Dabbler was able to fight her to a standstill, so with a team behind her they collectively could probably win, though maybe not without casualties.

As i recall from author comment, Dabbler were able to pile on enough pressure to make Max tank up.
What happens if they both take off the kid gloves are anyones guess.

But problem is there isnt really anything that can keep Max in a fight she dont want.

Dabbler states in comic #968 that Vehemence "wasn't doing well in prison." This implies he was given a trial, because you only get sent to prison, as opposed to jail or some other form of pre-trial detention post-sentencing. Given the relatively short in-universe timeframe this suggests that Archon worked to expedite the trial proceedings or that Vehemence took some kind of plea deal. Plausibly, given the whole mind-control aspect of the brawl and messy overlap that would result, he simply pled to an extremely large number of counts of 'assaulting a federal officer' and 'destruction of property' - offenses where guilt is clear and easy to establish and was given a suitably lengthy prison term with the other charges never adjudicated.

I think the difference between prison and jail is slightly to pedantic for this comic. Im pretty certain a decent number of people use them as synonyms.

He did also mention being locked up because he was to dangerous to be allowed free when pleading the case for sending him into space.

[Traab]

I think the more important factor here is that government officials such as cops often have the right to violate specific laws in an emergency, hence why they can run red lights and not have to ticket themselves. While acting internationally at the moment (which muddies certain aspects of what their jurisdiction is) archon is primarily an internal military/police force dedicated to the whole super criminal issue inside the united states. So its entirely likely that being told her headquarters is under attack would mean that maxima is authorized to get back to base as fast as is safely possible and so factors like laws against scaring cows will be waived for the duration. There may be issues if confirmable damage is done in the process, such as shattering windows and stampeding cattle trampling a petting zoo run by nuns and orphans, but a generic "you arent supposed to do that" wouldnt apply.

As for "who could arrest maxima?" Im sure that they have excessive plans in place after thorough study of maxima and her abilities, general strategies, and their limits, to take her in, along with anyone else, if needed. We have seen her be defeated in comic. Only being saved by sydney and her outside the box hyper ocd genre convention exploiting brain. Yes it took an excessive amount of prep and surprise to do, but I could see them super charging vehemence as much as possible then orbital dropping him on top of max to give her a brute that can match her physically while everyone else enacts whatever plan is needed to weaken her and take her down. He knows about her counter style now and can probably adjust for it. For all we know he can use his energy to turn into Luffy from One Piece and joint strikes will do nothing to his now rubber body. His powers seem to run on the basis of "Nuh uh! My guy can do THIS!" So its not impossible.