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    Ah yes, the only man known to curse.
    One of the only actors I know whom this is their trademark.

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    You know, on first read Roy's reaction felt pretty extreme to me. Not necessarily that he would be mad, but just how intensely he reacted and the language he's clearly using behind those telepathy-bubbles. It's jarring to think about main characters in OotS dropping anything spicier than a "goddammit" in conversation, even if I cuss pretty regularly in my own life. I think Kazumi's the only other one we've seen audibly swearing like this, and back then her text was just bleeped out with special characters, which felt a lot tamer.

    This is not really that surprising or terrible of a setback, so the reaction seems disproportionate. Watching Miko kill Shojo, dying, Girard's deception in the desert, the Draketooths' deaths, Durkon's death, Durkon's betrayal at the Godsmoot, losing his sword in the pass, Durkon's rogue cleric summit with Redcloak...we've seen Roy react to all of these (much worse) events with more or less stoic grace even if he got a bit sad or angry. I'm not really used to seeing Roy swear like this so it's jarring.

    But as I think more about it, I like it more and more. Roy's got to be feeling the stress of all of this. The quest has been an unending conga line of changing priorities and near-impossible odds. Every new development comes with a complication, every victory feels mixed or like it's just delaying the inevitable. The Order really can't catch a break. And now that they've finally spent a whole ton of resources and argument and headaches to broker an alliance with one of the original Scribblers, Roy is hoping to strike while the iron's hot and take maybe their best chance ever at killing Xykon. And then the window closes.

    I've been in that position a lot, recently even more so. So tightly wound and stressed out that you bottle it up and then lose it at something that really shouldn't have been the breaking point. It feels very human, very relatable, and I really like the moment. I'd be interested in a bit more of a peek at Roy's psyche here, if the story chooses to go that way for a bit - I feel like there's a valuable exploration there of how being the Straight Man leading the plucky misfits who are saving the world would put an unbelievable amount of pressure on a person. Though I imagine it wouldn't linger there because unpacking the topics of stress and anger can get dark/unfunny quickly.

    Maybe this just made a good punchline. Either way, I really enjoyed this strip on a variety of levels!

    And yeah, Roy's curses being covered up by the telepathy bubbles is a terribly clever narrative trick. Great pacing in that punchline.
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    His stress levels are going to go up when the Three Fiends's hit team bypasses Serini's defenses. Of course, with V acting as a spy camera for the Three Fiends, they have no incentive to unleash their team prematurely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ionathus View Post
    I've been in that position a lot, recently even more so. So tightly wound and stressed out that you bottle it up and then lose it at something that really shouldn't have been the breaking point. It feels very human, very relatable, and I really like the moment. I'd be interested in a bit more of a peek at Roy's psyche here, if the story chooses to go that way for a bit - I feel like there's a valuable exploration there of how being the Straight Man leading the plucky misfits who are saving the world would put an unbelievable amount of pressure on a person. Though I imagine it wouldn't linger there because unpacking the topics of stress and anger can get dark/unfunny quickly.
    Imagine what being part of, if not leading, the Scribblers did to Soon. I get the feeling they made Elan's hijinks look like 3D chess thoughtful teamwork.
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    So it seems like the optimal tactic would be to disable the switchovers and fight Xykon alone. For people that know 3.5e well, I have some questions.

    If they don't have Sunny, would Xykon be able to just fly away if he thinks he might lose?

    Without Sunny, would Xykon be able to render Roy useless by flying?

    I'm guessing V would cast dimensional anchor on Xykon to prevent him teleporting away. Is that a sure thing if V isn't exhausted? I'd assume it's easily dispel-able, but Xykon may not have two rounds to escape (or three if V reapplies it immediately after the dispel).

    If Sunny is there, Xykon would be able to walk outside the antimagic cone, and cast any spell with a standard action (almost all) before Sunny can move the cone?

    If Xykon figures out the spell splitter thing, could he start each turn by walking out of Roy's threatened area (taking an AoO), but then cast unmolested?
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    Honestly i can see Xykon leaving being almost a good thing, now they can potentially get the jump on the less powerful members of team evil, 'Don't split the party' is a game that works both ways.
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    Yep! In #1221, after going through the dungeon that they thought the dwarves were in, Redcloak pointed out that "the only logical conclusion is that the door was marked in error somehow" because they were active monsters in there. Then, he said "we need more data to determine the scale of the error with regard to the door marks. If we have the Dark One's luck with us, it'll be a one-off."

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    One of the only actors I know whom this is their trademark.
    ....you wanna put money on that?

    ETA: sorry, didn't see "that I know". Suffice it to say, there are a lot of others.
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    So… for those of us working in transcriptions, what is Roy saying there? I can figure out some of it, and, oh boy. NSFW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizard_Lizard View Post
    Honestly i can see Xykon leaving being almost a good thing, now they can potentially get the jump on the less powerful members of team evil, 'Don't split the party' is a game that works both ways.
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    I'd just like to point out that even though we the readers know that Xykon is separated from his group, Blackwing didn't mention it, and as such the characters wouldn't know about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    ....you wanna put money on that?
    It's not an unreasonable joke. Samuel L. Jackson is widely known for playing roles where he's a potty mouth - something about having had enough with certain snakes on certain planes comes to mind, for starters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King of Nowhere View Post
    why is xykon going out so bad?
    they will return tomorrow, and can be ambushed again. it will give time to the other to rest, because they also spent many resources in this fight.

    yes, ok, I know narrative causality will cause something else to happen.But Roy don't.
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    Who is that crayon-drawn dragon standing next to I assume Kraagor and Serini?
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    I assume Serini has told Sunny stories about her adventures, and sometimes you like to draw stuff from stories you've enjoyed.
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    Ah yes, the only man known to curse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ionathus View Post
    It's not an unreasonable joke. Samuel L. Jackson is widely known for playing roles where he's a potty mouth - something about having had enough with certain snakes on certain planes comes to mind, for starters.
    Not really? Imean, sure, he's memes about it a lot, but he's hardly the only one, or even the most prolific one (which is impressive, since he's not terribly picky about his roles, to the point that there's a joke in Hollywood - How do you get Sam Jackson to be in one of your movies? You ask him".)

    It's like watching someone do martial arts and then saying "well, it's official, Chuck Norris is that person's voice". Sure, he's known for that and has a lot of memes about it, but he's hardly alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quizatzhaderac View Post
    If they don't have Sunny, would Xykon be able to just fly away if he thinks he might lose?

    Without Sunny, would Xykon be able to render Roy useless by flying?
    Absent Sunny's antimagic ability, Xykon could fly away. However, Haley has a wand of fly, which if she thinks to cast it on the Order would make them faster and more maneuverable than Xykon, who I believe typically uses overland flight due to its longer duration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quizatzhaderac View Post
    I'm guessing V would cast dimensional anchor on Xykon to prevent him teleporting away. Is that a sure thing if V isn't exhausted? I'd assume it's easily dispel-able, but Xykon may not have two rounds to escape (or three if V reapplies it immediately after the dispel).
    We don't really have a good sense for what Xykon's touch AC is like, but I'd guess there's at least a 50% chance of V hitting him with dimensional anchor. However, Xykon is capable of casting either quickened dispel magic (if he knows the spell) or quickened greater teleport, either of which would allow him to escape in a single round should he feel the need.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quizatzhaderac View Post
    If Sunny is there, Xykon would be able to walk outside the antimagic cone, and cast any spell with a standard action (almost all) before Sunny can move the cone?
    That depends on how close to Xykon Sunny is. Cones in D&D are a quarter-circle with a radius of a given size; for a beholder's antimagic cone, the radius is 150 feet. If Sunny stays far enough away from Xykon, the edges of the cone will be more than 30 feet away from him, so he won't be able to move outside in a single turn.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quizatzhaderac View Post
    If Xykon figures out the spell splitter thing, could he start each turn by walking out of Roy's threatened area (taking an AoO), but then cast unmolested?
    The Spellsplinter Maneuver is something the Giant made up for the comic, so we can't speak with certainty about its mechanics. It's possible that Xykon could move out of Roy's threatened area, either through normal movement or by taking a 5-foot step; on the other hand, there may be some aspect of the Spellsplinter Maneuver feat that allows Roy to move to keep up with Xykon. We won't know until we see it in action.
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    I think we've all been in this moment in a campaign where the party is starting to come up with a solid plan and the DM just casually goes "well, actually..." and derails everything they were thinking of like the players have been derailing the DM's plot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crisis21 View Post
    I think we've all been in this moment in a campaign where the party is starting to come up with a solid plan and the DM just casually goes "well, actually..." and derails everything they were thinking of like the players have been derailing the DM's plot.
    If this was an actual game, which quite fortunately it’s not, the DM must be a total ass.
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    Unlikely plot twist: all the crayon drawings in the entire comic are by Sunny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielxcutter View Post
    If this was an actual game, which quite fortunately it’s not, the DM must be a total ass.
    That kind of depends on whether it's because the DM has just come up with something arbitrary, to spite the players or to keep things on the rails, or if there are factors that the DM had already determined which make that plan infeasible.

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    Serini had to ruin a good thing. The Order of the Stick's bad luck strikes again.

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    Ha, we were wondering if Senri would ever actually help the party.
    Now that she's on their side Roy just had to get screwed over by timing and now he will blame Senri Sunny and the rest of the party for wasting time.

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    Roy swore! Awesome!

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    Roy completely losing his **** is both refreshing and disturbing, but also equally hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Ah yes, the only man known to curse.
    You mean the most popular actor whose most iconic style happens to match Roy's (insofar as Roy has style, or defining features), pulls off convincing combat scenes with two-handed blades (that glow), and has over a dozen appearances playing the straight-faced leader who alternates between corralling chaotic teams and snarking at the absurdity that surrounds him (and even dies fighting the villain, but not directly by their hand, then comes back to life after the remaining party members go on a quest)?

    Doesn't sound like Roy. Roy curses a lot. Roy should be played by Jonah Hill. He's the record-holder, after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ionathus View Post
    It's not an unreasonable joke. Samuel L. Jackson is widely known for playing roles where he's a potty mouth - something about having had enough with certain snakes on certain planes comes to mind, for starters.
    Did you notice when they use the microwave, they hit the "snake" button?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruck View Post
    Yeah, I figure it's probably something like that. Not everything has to have a hidden meaning.

    It probably would be odd to have a 73-year-old actor voice a 29-year-old character.
    Why not, pretty sure he voiced Afro Samurai. A guy whose primary line is "Shut up."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ionathus View Post
    You know, on first read Roy's reaction felt pretty extreme to me. Not necessarily that he would be mad, but just how intensely he reacted and the language he's clearly using behind those telepathy-bubbles.
    Roy has spent his life dealing with a problem he didn't create, and he was less than fifteen minutes away from completing his quest. How much longer will he have to wait to get as good a chance again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brian 333 View Post
    (Masterful storycrafting here, and much more powerful than simple blue language rants or "censored" stamps would have been.)
    Agreed! It's rare that this medium gives opportunities of communication to the audience/reader that simply can't happen in others. (Or rather, it gives those opportunities all the time, but it's rare that the creator takes such skillful advantage of it.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bunsen_h View Post
    That kind of depends on whether it's because the DM has just come up with something arbitrary, to spite the players or to keep things on the rails, or if there are factors that the DM had already determined which make that plan infeasible.
    I was thinking about stuff like uh, the entirety of the DStP arc for one.

    Quote Originally Posted by brian 333 View Post
    Roy has spent his life dealing with a problem he didn't create, and he was less than fifteen minutes away from completing his quest. How much longer will he have to wait to get as good a chance again?
    Which is what they literally mentioned right AFTER that part you quoted?
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