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2022-05-13, 01:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-13, 01:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1257 - The Discussion Thread
You know, on first read Roy's reaction felt pretty extreme to me. Not necessarily that he would be mad, but just how intensely he reacted and the language he's clearly using behind those telepathy-bubbles. It's jarring to think about main characters in OotS dropping anything spicier than a "goddammit" in conversation, even if I cuss pretty regularly in my own life. I think Kazumi's the only other one we've seen audibly swearing like this, and back then her text was just bleeped out with special characters, which felt a lot tamer.
This is not really that surprising or terrible of a setback, so the reaction seems disproportionate. Watching Miko kill Shojo, dying, Girard's deception in the desert, the Draketooths' deaths, Durkon's death, Durkon's betrayal at the Godsmoot, losing his sword in the pass, Durkon's rogue cleric summit with Redcloak...we've seen Roy react to all of these (much worse) events with more or less stoic grace even if he got a bit sad or angry. I'm not really used to seeing Roy swear like this so it's jarring.
But as I think more about it, I like it more and more. Roy's got to be feeling the stress of all of this. The quest has been an unending conga line of changing priorities and near-impossible odds. Every new development comes with a complication, every victory feels mixed or like it's just delaying the inevitable. The Order really can't catch a break. And now that they've finally spent a whole ton of resources and argument and headaches to broker an alliance with one of the original Scribblers, Roy is hoping to strike while the iron's hot and take maybe their best chance ever at killing Xykon. And then the window closes.
I've been in that position a lot, recently even more so. So tightly wound and stressed out that you bottle it up and then lose it at something that really shouldn't have been the breaking point. It feels very human, very relatable, and I really like the moment. I'd be interested in a bit more of a peek at Roy's psyche here, if the story chooses to go that way for a bit - I feel like there's a valuable exploration there of how being the Straight Man leading the plucky misfits who are saving the world would put an unbelievable amount of pressure on a person. Though I imagine it wouldn't linger there because unpacking the topics of stress and anger can get dark/unfunny quickly.
Maybe this just made a good punchline. Either way, I really enjoyed this strip on a variety of levels!
And yeah, Roy's curses being covered up by the telepathy bubbles is a terribly clever narrative trick. Great pacing in that punchline.Last edited by Ionathus; 2022-05-13 at 01:42 PM.
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2022-05-13, 01:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1257 - The Discussion Thread
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2022-05-13, 02:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1257 - The Discussion Thread
Same, Roy. Same.
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2022-05-13, 02:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-13, 02:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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So it seems like the optimal tactic would be to disable the switchovers and fight Xykon alone. For people that know 3.5e well, I have some questions.
If they don't have Sunny, would Xykon be able to just fly away if he thinks he might lose?
Without Sunny, would Xykon be able to render Roy useless by flying?
I'm guessing V would cast dimensional anchor on Xykon to prevent him teleporting away. Is that a sure thing if V isn't exhausted? I'd assume it's easily dispel-able, but Xykon may not have two rounds to escape (or three if V reapplies it immediately after the dispel).
If Sunny is there, Xykon would be able to walk outside the antimagic cone, and cast any spell with a standard action (almost all) before Sunny can move the cone?
If Xykon figures out the spell splitter thing, could he start each turn by walking out of Roy's threatened area (taking an AoO), but then cast unmolested?The thing is the Azurites don't use a single color; they use a single hue. The use light blue, dark blue, black, white, glossy blue, off-white with a bluish tint. They sky's the limit, as long as it's blue.
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2022-05-13, 03:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1257 - The Discussion Thread
Honestly i can see Xykon leaving being almost a good thing, now they can potentially get the jump on the less powerful members of team evil, 'Don't split the party' is a game that works both ways.
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2022-05-13, 03:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-13, 04:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-13, 04:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-13, 04:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1257 - The Discussion Thread
I'd just like to point out that even though we the readers know that Xykon is separated from his group, Blackwing didn't mention it, and as such the characters wouldn't know about it.
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2022-05-13, 04:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-13, 05:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1257 - The Discussion Thread
Roy swear for a good reason!
He might now rationally know it, but just few pages away, there are two junior Sherlock Holmes who are going to get some XPs;
We're going to witness the same secret, kept for 50 years, defeated for the second time in just one hour.
Reddy, Oona and Grumpydoggo, might in fact spot a suspicious explosion stain on the floor, oddly, precisely cut in half.
And if you inspect closely what is cutting in half that explosion leftover, you'll spot a tiny line of runes inscribed by a younger Serini.
For our perceptions, instead, it looks like this:
Talky man, deep inside of his, knows it.
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2022-05-13, 05:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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That would be Greyview, amigo.
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Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2022-05-13, 05:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-13, 06:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not really? Imean, sure, he's memes about it a lot, but he's hardly the only one, or even the most prolific one (which is impressive, since he's not terribly picky about his roles, to the point that there's a joke in Hollywood - How do you get Sam Jackson to be in one of your movies? You ask him".)
It's like watching someone do martial arts and then saying "well, it's official, Chuck Norris is that person's voice". Sure, he's known for that and has a lot of memes about it, but he's hardly alone.Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2022-05-13, 06:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1257 - The Discussion Thread
Absent Sunny's antimagic ability, Xykon could fly away. However, Haley has a wand of fly, which if she thinks to cast it on the Order would make them faster and more maneuverable than Xykon, who I believe typically uses overland flight due to its longer duration.
We don't really have a good sense for what Xykon's touch AC is like, but I'd guess there's at least a 50% chance of V hitting him with dimensional anchor. However, Xykon is capable of casting either quickened dispel magic (if he knows the spell) or quickened greater teleport, either of which would allow him to escape in a single round should he feel the need.
That depends on how close to Xykon Sunny is. Cones in D&D are a quarter-circle with a radius of a given size; for a beholder's antimagic cone, the radius is 150 feet. If Sunny stays far enough away from Xykon, the edges of the cone will be more than 30 feet away from him, so he won't be able to move outside in a single turn.
The Spellsplinter Maneuver is something the Giant made up for the comic, so we can't speak with certainty about its mechanics. It's possible that Xykon could move out of Roy's threatened area, either through normal movement or by taking a 5-foot step; on the other hand, there may be some aspect of the Spellsplinter Maneuver feat that allows Roy to move to keep up with Xykon. We won't know until we see it in action.Last edited by InvisibleBison; 2022-05-13 at 06:38 PM.
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2022-05-13, 06:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1257 - The Discussion Thread
I think we've all been in this moment in a campaign where the party is starting to come up with a solid plan and the DM just casually goes "well, actually..." and derails everything they were thinking of like the players have been derailing the DM's plot.
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2022-05-13, 07:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-13, 07:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-13, 08:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1257 - The Discussion Thread
That kind of depends on whether it's because the DM has just come up with something arbitrary, to spite the players or to keep things on the rails, or if there are factors that the DM had already determined which make that plan infeasible.
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2022-05-13, 08:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-13, 08:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ha, we were wondering if Senri would ever actually help the party.
Now that she's on their side Roy just had to get screwed over by timing and now he will blame Senri Sunny and the rest of the party for wasting time.
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2022-05-13, 08:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Roy swore! Awesome!
Oh, uh, good strip too I guess.Shh! I'm hiding.
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2022-05-13, 08:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Roy completely losing his **** is both refreshing and disturbing, but also equally hilarious.
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2022-05-13, 09:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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You mean the most popular actor whose most iconic style happens to match Roy's (insofar as Roy has style, or defining features), pulls off convincing combat scenes with two-handed blades (that glow), and has over a dozen appearances playing the straight-faced leader who alternates between corralling chaotic teams and snarking at the absurdity that surrounds him (and even dies fighting the villain, but not directly by their hand, then comes back to life after the remaining party members go on a quest)?
Doesn't sound like Roy. Roy curses a lot. Roy should be played by Jonah Hill. He's the record-holder, after all.
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2022-05-13, 09:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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