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2022-05-24, 12:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When Serini realizes V killed his friends whole family line it's going to get ugl
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2022-05-24, 12:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When Serini realizes V killed his friends whole family line it's going to get ugl
Yes, that article notably discusses how it interacts with custody agreements, which take precedence over standard legal doctrine of "you cannot kidnap your own child". As I said, as depicted (eg no sign of divorce proceedings, custody arrangements, specific guardianship, etc.), it looks legally kosher.
This might sound messed up, and obviously it can be abused, but there are also very good reasons for it.
ETA: Don't take legal advice from non-lawyers (eg me), but especially don't take legal advice from Wikipedia.Last edited by Peelee; 2022-05-24 at 12:16 PM.
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2022-05-24, 12:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When Serini realizes V killed his friends whole family line it's going to get ugl
I was thinking of the UK example:
For example, removing a child from the UK for a period of 28 days or more without the other parent's permission (or person with parental responsibility) is a criminal offense.[2]
It doesn't specifically require divorce proceedings there.
True.Last edited by hamishspence; 2022-05-24 at 12:19 PM.
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2022-05-24, 12:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When Serini realizes V killed his friends whole family line it's going to get ugl
There are many ways for someone to ethically become pregnant and raise a child as a single parent. I can hardly judge all those people without knowing the specific details.
Starting from the end there, she knew 100% without doubt that Durkon would be interested if only out of a sense of philosophical obligation. She ran head first into that aspect of him herself. Also, even if she thinks he may not be interested, or have good reason to think he is an ******* on a personal level, she knows sending herself and she could just as easily say "hey I'm pregnant do you want to be involved, if no great goodbye lose my number."
I had forgotten that panel mentioning it was available in setting as a cantrip. That certainly works easily enough but a 0th level spell would be almost literal childs play to disrupt if one wanted to get pregnant without the others consent. In that case the Bestow Curse option would be more analogous to a long term IUD or Vasectomy I guess.
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2022-05-24, 12:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When Serini realizes V killed his friends whole family line it's going to get ugl
Well, I did say in all the jurisdictions I'm familiar with, and being from
a group of fifty countries in a trench coatthe US, it should not be terribly surprising that I am not well-versed in UK law.
ETA: Also, looking into it a bit more even in the UK it is not a criminal offense provided they stay in-country and are not violating court orders.Last edited by Peelee; 2022-05-24 at 12:24 PM.
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2022-05-24, 12:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Had Inkyrius disappeared with the children instead of suing for full custody would it be kidnapping or would it merely be a parent taking their children where they wanted them to be.
My loose understanding is that it is not kidnapping when you have legal custody of the child - in whichever 'likely no longer existing country' Orrin and Penelope where in? who knows.
But we as both the members of the court and the subjects of the court might be better off seeing if their is any that holds up.Last edited by dancrilis; 2022-05-24 at 01:01 PM.
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2022-05-24, 12:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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https://www.attorneys.com/child-cust...tal-kidnapping
Parental kidnapping or parental abduction is defined as the concealment, taking, or retention of a child by his parent in violation of the rights of the child's other parent or another family member. Violated rights may include, for example, custody and visitation rights. Sadly, thousands of children are abducted by a parent and removed from the United States annually. Even more children are kidnapped by a parent within the confines of U.S. borders. Parental kidnapping also happens when a child is abducted from a custodial parent abroad and transported into the United States by the non-custodial parent illegally.
More Than Just a Custody Dispute
Make no mistake – parental kidnapping is illegal. Parental kidnapping is far more than a dispute regarding custody matters between divorcing parents. Such matters are relegated to the civil courts; however, parental kidnapping is a criminal act. In fact, parental kidnapping violates the laws of all U.S. states, the District of Columbia, and the Virgin Islands, plus U.S. federal laws and international laws.
By contrast, in the context of Mamma Mia!, I find it less reasonable, to say Donna has violated Bill, Sam, and Harry's custody rights and visitation rights.Last edited by hamishspence; 2022-05-24 at 12:41 PM.
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2022-05-24, 12:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When Serini realizes V killed his friends whole family line it's going to get ugl
Pointing out a specific clause here:
by the non-custodial parent illegally.
Penelope doesn't have custody rights* and visitation rights. She has custody. As does Orrin. There is no non-custodial parent.
*not as understood in this context. Again, not a lawyer, actual lawyers would be able to put it better than me (and potentially say how I'm wrong, the law is complex).Last edited by Peelee; 2022-05-24 at 12:46 PM.
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2022-05-24, 12:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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I am not particularly interested in talking real world country laws - but the bit that stands out to me particularly is:
Parental kidnapping also happens when a child is abducted from a custodial parent abroad and transported into the 'nation'* by the non-custodial parent illegally.
The implication being that if the child is transported into the jurisdiction legally by a non-custodial parent it is fine, or if the child is transported illegally by a custodial parent it is also fine relating to this - this seems suspect.
The western continent has a lot of countries come and go - what laws if any Orrin may have broken are unknown and if he did break any the nation he broke them in likely does not exist.
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2022-05-24, 12:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When Serini realizes V killed his friends whole family line it's going to get ugl
The sentence only included the specific case of someone outside X taking a child into X.
As far as I know, all non-separated, non-divorced parents have custody rights by default. That's what "having custody" means. So, when a non-divorced parent disappears with their child, they are violating the other parent's custody rights.
Does that matter? Ian for example, "broke the laws" in Tyrinaria, but he's being held by the Empire of Blood even after Tyrinaria's replacement by the Empire of Blood.Last edited by hamishspence; 2022-05-24 at 01:02 PM.
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2022-05-24, 01:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-24, 02:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Going back to the original topic - I'd have to say that Serini will be somewhat upset.
She liked Girard a lot (as expressed by her dairy) and even if she's now willing to call him paranoid, I doubt that corresponds to her being unupset that all his remaining relatives are now dead at V's hands.Marut-2 Avatar by Serpentine
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2022-05-24, 02:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When Serini realizes V killed his friends whole family line it's going to get ugl
Agree, though I predict it won't come up. Familicide was so unfathomably awful that it's hard to talk about in the comic. If Serini found out, she would absolutely be enraged, but V would be going "no really, I deeply regret it and it was a horrible thing to do, I've changed since then" and the whole thing seems a little messy rather than an interesting story beat.
Especially because Serini already attacked the Order...I think it would feel repetitive to have her turn on them again. Even if it's supposedly justifiable.Last edited by Ionathus; 2022-05-24 at 03:14 PM.
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2022-05-24, 07:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think I was the first to bring it up, and it wasn't a thing I was saying definitely happens, just a thing that conceivably could happen.
True, and I did bring that up in my original speculation. Though maybe sometimes the clan just needs a few kids, and this would be a low risk low cost way for them to do that. You can rob people without seducing and marrying them first.
Not as much of an issue as it would be in real life, I suspect.
Also I can't link it anywhere but there's a bunch more options to boost fort saves outside of SRD like Steadfast Determination, and ones that are SRD but would be strange to have active during the act like a Cloak of ResistanceLast edited by RatElemental; 2022-05-24 at 07:47 PM.
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2022-05-24, 07:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-24, 08:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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If you're putting on your fortitude boosting gear to prepare for that sort of thing I think your partner may be offended.
... Unless you two are into some slightly more kinky things, I suppose.
That said magic items do open up a lot of other interesting options in the bedroom, even before bringing in third party stuff like the book that shall not be named. Especially when you bring the custom magic item creation rules into play, you could put that fort save on a ring, or put something more fun on a cloak if you want to wear a cloak for some reason. The possibilities are pretty open.
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2022-05-26, 04:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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They do. Almost 50% longer (35 for a human is equivalent to 50 for a halfling, 53 for a human is equivalent to 75 for a halfling, maximum rollable age for a halfling is 200, for a human, 110.)
Being a half-dragon extends age according to Races of the Dragon - but there's no strict rules for how much it does.
But Girard isn't a half-dragon - he's a quarter-dragon. And, since he does not appear to have scales or claws on his hands, he probably doesn't have the Draconic template. This would suggest that, ruleswise, he's a regular human, with the only thing his "dragon heritage" does, being "why he takes sorcerer levels" (Sorcerers often have dragon ancestors).Last edited by hamishspence; 2022-05-26 at 05:04 AM.
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2022-06-22, 07:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When Serini realizes V killed his friends whole family line it's going to get ugl
Inkyrius has been raising their children by themself for the entire duration of the comic, and had reason to believe that V was a danger to their children, and KNEW that V had given in to fiendish influence. Also, V left them when given the choice to remain. A very different circumstance from what Orrin did.
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