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Thread: PHB + 1 Build
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2022-05-18, 11:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: PHB + 1 Build
If your DM doesn’t find it too cheesy and you use unearthed arcana, see if the level adjustment buy off rule can be applied to your character. That might give you one or two reductions of Level adjustment which you could then use for class levels.
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2022-05-18, 12:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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⚣ Tanuki in the Playground. ⚣
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2022-05-18, 12:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-18, 01:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: PHB + 1 Build
(This, in a nutshell. (Thank you, RandomPeasant!)
Also, I don't think I've ever seen anyone argue that duskblade isn't a gish. But how's a duskblade with, say, Shocking Grasp, Dimension Hop, Magic Weapon and Swift Invisibility more of a magic user than a swordsage with Burning Blade, Shadow Jaunt, Mountain Hammer and Cloak of Deception if, indeed, the mechanics of using these effects are kind of analogous?)
But do you want to?
because you will not want to do it long term
If you want to go for weird you could go for a half-gold dragon treant (no class levels). The immunity to fire should counter the vulnerability to fire, plus you get a ton of plant based immunities. The half-dragon template boosts your plant hit dice and skill points. And since it is core it still leaves you room to add one more book for feats or skill tricks or magic items that are not core. And hey a flying tree!
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2022-05-18, 03:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: PHB + 1 Build
Another option (which unfortunately might be a lot to keep track of for a one shot) is Complete Scoundrel for Rogue 9/Battle Trickster 3/Uncanny Trickster 3 and take as many skill tricks as possible (13, I think, with a few that could repeat in an encounter)? Not optimal but perhaps interesting, depending on how your dm rolls.
If you want to squeeze in magical trickster too (and hence a few more tricks) I suppose you could go rogue 1/druid 5 and then the three 3-level trickster classes. You would get wild shape too!
On the other hand, sword sage 10/master of nine 5 would also get you a fighter type that always seems to have a trick up their sleeve.
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2022-05-18, 05:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: PHB + 1 Build
I'm currently between a ToB build, or just grabbing one of those absolutely dumb 1/2 caster prestige classes.
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2022-05-18, 06:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-18, 06:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: PHB + 1 Build
In that case, I had some fun playing a Gargoyle Cleric in a one-shot - he was "part of the church".
Also had some fun with a Gestalt character in a one-shot. In that case though, we were all playing gestalt characters so we ended up roughly even. I'm not sure they quite hit "LA +2" territory, maybe LA +1.5(ish). See if you can do it without the LA issues by taking a couple less points on the point-buy (or similar penalty).
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2022-05-18, 06:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-18, 09:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-19, 04:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-19, 04:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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⚣ Tanuki in the Playground. ⚣
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2022-05-19, 09:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: PHB + 1 Build
Trying to assign a level adjustment to Gestalt is like trying to assign a level adjustment for "getting to take a PrC". Are you taking Rainbow Servant as a Warmage, or Forsaker as a Wizard? Are you a Wizard//Psion or a Fighter//Warmage?
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2022-05-21, 03:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: PHB + 1 Build
How about a chameleon?
you get access to all spells arcane or divine up to level 6 with a caster level 20
Something like
Rogue 5 (for the skillpoints and sneak attack)
Chameleon 10
And then finish with more rogue levels
It's not as powerful as a regular chameleon (since the spells are more limited) but make sure to check the duskblade's spell list (PHB II counts as PHB I assume).
You should still be ridiculously versatile and you can do whatever you like
fight in melee? divine power
pew pew? duskblade disintegrate + sneak attack damage
summon a meatshield? giant vermin (colossal size with caster level 20) or animate object
you also have a ton of spellslots since you have arcane and divine spells (the other focuses are never as strong as this)
If you prefer getting more spellslots you can also use dragon disciple to do that but you'll need to dip bard or sorcerer to do so.
In that case I'd probably recommend
1 Sorcerer
2-3 Paladin (for the extra saves)
4-5 Fighter (for the bonus feats)
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2022-05-21, 07:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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