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2022-05-20, 12:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
Y'know, I was this close to coming on you like a avenging angel for being wrong, but then I looked it up in Complete Arcane to quote it, and you know what I found? The original text says you are right, but the German translation, which I used all the time in my game, says that the blast is an invocation. How the hell did that happen?
Bah, I'm too old to change my mind. In my games the blast continues to be an invocation.
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2022-05-20, 12:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
It probably originated as a typo and then someone just rolled with the joke (rolled like pie dough!). It's decently notable typo, with the r key being missed entirely. I wonder if there's a pir fiend that doesn't do anything besides sit equidistant between pit and pie fiends. It would still have powerful SLAs, but it doesn't really use them to any end.
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2022-05-20, 01:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
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2022-05-20, 01:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
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2022-05-20, 01:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
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2022-05-20, 02:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-20, 02:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
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2022-05-20, 02:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
Specific beats general, so a spell-like ability such as greater dispel magic that specifically says it can counterspell can counterspell.
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2022-05-20, 03:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-20, 05:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
As a single word, it exists in Persian with a literal translation of "old person", later being adopted as a term for largely-independent religious teachers/minor spiritual leaders in Islam. I'd go with something local to the Infernal Battlefield of Acheron designed for some active mechanical expression of "fast-tracking" followers to becoming Fiends in truth, with inbuilt qualification for Fiend of Blasphemy.
Pretty clear-cut that it's referencing the general Counterspelling rule, since Dispel Magic can dispel it, so by all rights a Greater Dispel Magic SLA should do the inverse.
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2022-05-20, 06:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
Subjected to being dispelled and subjected to being counterspelled isn't exactly the same, tho.
(I do agree that specific trumos general, but not because of the wording from rule compendium)
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2022-05-20, 08:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
I can understand that interpretation. My thinking is that the 'general' here is that greater dispel can counter and that the 'specific' is But Not When It's A SLA. *shrug* I'm not very invested, either way; I don't think I've actually played in a game where I've seen counterspelling used, so it doesn't feel like a big power difference to me.
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2022-05-20, 10:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
Counterspelling is useful if you bother with it. It's generally an underused mechanic for the simple reason that the game tends to reward acting rather than reacting. A counterspelled mage has simply lost their action. A dead mage gets no actions to lose.
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2022-05-20, 10:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
I honestly don't know what to make of this joke monster. Let's say LA +1 for now.
BTW, does anyone remember an old (1E maybe) Dragon mag where they statted up Ronald McDonald (under a slightly different name) as an archfiend, who runs a chain of restaurants serving Stench Kow burgers?
Just tried searching for it on DragonDex, but no luck...
[edit] Found it: Dragon # 120. Dining Out in the Hells: A fast-food guide to the Lower Planes
Ronnell MaughDonnell. [/edit]Last edited by Thurbane; 2022-05-31 at 03:42 AM.
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2022-05-22, 07:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-30, 11:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
+0 - liquidformat, H_H_F_F, Remuko
+1 - Dimers, loky1109, Tzardok, Brackenlord, Thurbane
+2 - remetagross, Beni-Kujaku, ciopo
+3 - AsuraKyoko
+4 - Troacctid
Sorry I've been away for a while, but it seems we have a +1. Next on the docket is the Devil SailKaedanis Pyran, tai faernae.
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2022-05-30, 11:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
Size & Type: Large Magical Beast (Aquatic)
Space/Reach: 10'/20'
HD: 9, 18 Huge
Speed: Swim 20'
Ability Scores: Str +8, Dex -2, Con +8, Int -2, Wis -2, Cha -2 - Net +8, four penalties
Natural Armor: 0
Natural Weapons: One Primary Touch (1d10 acid, plus Con-based Fort or 2d4 Dex)
Skill List: Listen, Spot, Swim
Body Shape: Jellyfish
Speech (Languages): No
CR: 7
WotC LA: -
Our LA: -0
First thing: They aren't devils. Second thing: The Devil Sail has more RHD than AC. Zero natural armor.
So it can Improved Grab a creature at least one size category smaller than it, and it has a few PLAs. 3/day Dimension Slide and Painful Touch at ML 11, in addition to the attack/defense modes we can never figure out how to convert.
Finally, its Underwater Sense lets it detect any creature within 60' while under water. Though it's less effective at detecting creatures without nervous systems, like undead, oozes, and constructs. Such creatures can only be detected from 30' away. Figments never fool a Devil Sail under water, and there's no mention of that only being ones within range.
Yes, that's it. See you guys tomorrow.Last edited by Debatra; 2022-05-30 at 11:40 PM.
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2022-05-31, 12:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
Literally unplayable. Absolute garbage. Easy -0.
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2022-05-31, 01:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
I'm not at all across psionics, but that looks like a lot of RHD for little gain. LA -0 from me.
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2022-05-31, 03:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
Whaaaat? It has a touch attack Improved Grab with acid damage and a whopping +8 to ability scores! That alone should make it a +2! And since it's a magical beast, it has full BAB, so it's better than a fighter, so that's another +1. Oh wait, we aren't supposed to make believe we are at WotC? Okay, LA -0 it is.
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2022-05-31, 04:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
I don't think it's totally unplayable, but yeah, -Zero here.
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2022-05-31, 04:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
I find the concept of a psionic jellyfish oddly fitting. That said, it's still going to be a -0.
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2022-05-31, 05:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
CR is 2 below HD? Yeah def -0. Honestly its still probably over CRed. This thing has what 8 AC? 10 -1 Dex -1 Size yeah? 8 AC even with 9d10+36 HP is just...really bad. even at CR 5 this might be weak lol
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2022-05-31, 05:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
It doesn't even have the saving grace of more than one touchy feely when full attacking
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2022-05-31, 11:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
Rhymes with "Protracted."
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2022-05-31, 11:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
Yeah, well, maybe don't play a jellyfish in a landbound campaign.
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2022-05-31, 12:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
If you could make anything and everything welcome to the Zinc Saucier XLV: Figaro
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2022-05-31, 01:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA Assignment Thread XII: the LA-bors of Heracles
Rhymes with "Protracted."
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2022-05-31, 01:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-31, 02:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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