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    Default Re: GWM better for Sword and Shield Fighters/Paladins/Barbarians?

    Quote Originally Posted by strangebloke View Post
    What can weapons do? What inherent, rules-defined property of weapons are you referencing here? That they can be used for melee weapon attacks? Sure, but that says nothing, nothing about lootability.
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    Yes, RSP, but weapon attacks made by whom? PCs? Again, the DMG says explicitly that it is not willing to make a firm statement about which weapons on monster statblocks are suitable for PCs. A Balor can use the weapon that is implied by the 'longsword' attack on the Balor Statblock to make weapon attacks, but a PC explicitly has to ask the DM to do the same thing.

    "Weapons are used for weapon attacks" is true.

    "All weapons can be used for weapon attacks by any creature" is not true.
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    "Weapons are used for weapon attacks" is true.

    "All weapons can be used for weapon attacks by any creature" is not true.
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    Default Re: GWM better for Sword and Shield Fighters/Paladins/Barbarians?

    Ask any DM in the world if you can cut off a bear's face and use it as a weapon and they will laugh in your face. Come on, how is this even a discussion?

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    Ask any DM in the world if you can cut off a bear's face and use it as a weapon and they will laugh in your face. Come on, how is this even a discussion?
    Because the design team made it a rule that it works.

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    Default Re: GWM better for Sword and Shield Fighters/Paladins/Barbarians?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yakk View Post
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    And still not a single word as to how natural weapons stay "natural" when pulled off their body.

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    Yeah, I had a whole post about how rulings (DM making a judgement call in an ambiguous case) are not houserules (DM making a rule that applies at their table) and that DND as a system deliberately and explicitly codifies ambiguity into the system so that rulings can be made that suit the vibe of a given campaign, and how this is a clear example of that with statements such as "DM decides if an improvised weapon resembles a weapon closely enough to be used as that weapon" or "As a DM you may rule to not allow players to use weapons sized for creatures two size cats larger than them."

    but its a waste of breath theres no one here to convince
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    "DM decides if an improvised weapon resembles a weapon closely enough to be used as that weapon"
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    "As a DM you may rule to not allow players to use weapons sized for creatures two size cats larger than them."
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    Is a rock a natural weapon? Why or why not?
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    And still not a single word as to how natural weapons stay "natural" when pulled off their body.

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    Curious about something: is a rock a natural weapon? Why or why not?
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    You want them to cover up for you?

    You keep on failing to make a statement about how a DM could accept that the natural extension of a monster's body somehow becomes a "natural weapon" in the hand of some hero.

    The fact that you never managed to pull one out of anywhere... is your loss.
    Everyone else has moved on with that conclusion.
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    You want them to cover up for you?

    You keep on failing to make a statement about how a DM could accept that the natural extension of a monster's body somehow becomes a "natural weapon" in the hand of some hero.
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    And still not a single word as to how natural weapons stay "natural" when pulled off their body.
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