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2022-06-08, 10:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by SRD
Greater Dispel (level 6 slot) can allows V to roll at +17 or so (assuming level 16 + bauble, note that the bauble is currently out of range), and succeed against RC on a 11+ (still assuming only level 17 for RC) and against X on an unknown roll that needs to be a 15 at the absolute minimum (CL 17 for V and X is only CL 21).
This is not great. Antimagic field at level 6 is a better suggestion, but they've got Sunny to do that for free (within limits).
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2022-06-08, 10:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
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Minrah's last line and I burst out laughing loud enough to wake the house... being yelled at to go to bed
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2022-06-08, 10:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
I forget the specific wording for Rich's reason for including her, but good lord I love her interactions with the party.
Also I like Haley muttering "if you hit me with your staff, you're going to be eating it." It wasn't that funny at the start, and that was actually a fairly reasonable question. Though I don't think Serini would have hit her for that either way.
Mostly just "me like Minrah" here, not a whole lot to say.Cool elan Illithid Slayer by linkele.
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2022-06-08, 10:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
I originally read the title as "Bite size, color, and number of holes", which led me down a very different mental path.
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2022-06-08, 10:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
Eh, well, Roy has already relied on Elan's expertise once or twice today ("Is this it? Is this where the final battle happens?"), so he has definitely contributed. The other important thing to consider is that if you rely too much on narrative structure, you might end up like Tarquin.
No joke, my current job is like this. You're only in a meeting if the meeting is important and your input/awareness is directly required. Meetings are efficient and we're done on time. I don't know how they're doing it - my current guess is witchcraft. It's freaking eerie.
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2022-06-08, 11:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
While I am not exactly an expert in how the world outside college works, that sounds less witchcraft and more a divine miracle.
Of course, depending on the theistic situation it may technically be both but let's not get too much into religion.Cool elan Illithid Slayer by linkele.
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2022-06-08, 11:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-06-08, 11:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
From what I remember, "new characters equals new jokes & dynamics to explore" was a main reason! I think one big element of adding Minrah was that we got to have an outsider's perspective on Belkar: the way she interacts with him is entirely different than how the rest of the team interacts with him, and helps to show how he's changed from original perceptions!
Side note: I've really enjoyed the character density of OotS. It never feels like there are too many characters or too many dangling subplots, and almost every detour has felt crucial to understanding and appreciating the main storyline. Just about the only part you could cut without losing too much context is the Bandana/Andi dynamic, although even that I really appreciated for a normie's insight into how crazy the OotS-verse has gotten. How do random everyday mercenaries react when they suddenly get caught up in a plot to save the world?
I've had this back-and-forth feeling about Haley & Elan's dynamic before: it's fun to have a fictional relationship where the guy is the complete ditz but still romantic, empathetic, and competent (in his own ways). However, some of the jokes of Haley managing Elan's behavior do read as very maternal, especially that exchange when he'd been lured away by Sunny which verged on feeling almost icky for me. I think their dynamic is at its strongest in scenes like bartering in Sandsedge, where they're both acting like adults but Elan simply has much lower savvy.
I disagree with that generalization. The vast majority of married couples I know treat each other with mutual respect.Last edited by Ionathus; 2022-06-08 at 11:22 AM. Reason: gratuitous quotation marks
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2022-06-08, 11:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
Man, that last panel had me cracking up! Minrah's expression!
Also: "a plan to plan a plan is as good a plan as any"
Thanks, Rich!Last edited by Lord Torath; 2022-06-08 at 11:25 AM.
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2022-06-08, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
Also look at the arrangement of the cast in the first panel: grouped by size (humans, halflings, dwarves), color (green for the halflings, grey for the dwarves, and the analogy doesn't really work for Haley and Elan), and number (distinct groups of two all around). Roy also groups himself with the paladins later, making a blue group.
Least, that's what I'm seeing.
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2022-06-08, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
I should have probably added "YMMV" to that post.
I wonder how OOTS will take the IFCC into account, because they know they can stop V anytime they want. It seems IFCC wants the last gate destroyed, so they do anything they can to move Team Evil closer to the final gate.
I will opine that full disclosure to the whole team, by V, as regards the IFCC problem is long overdue. I don't think we've seen that on screen yet, V disclosing that to anybody but Roy. (They did get to see V in soul spliced form near the end of DStP, so maybe the full disclosure happened off screen?)Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2022-06-08 at 11:31 AM.
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2022-06-08, 11:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
Hah, I saw the Twitter post so I did the same thing-- I usually don't, but I found myself extremely curious as to how it would factor into the strip while I was reading it.
Eh, she just knows who he is.
Funny, I was just talking to another friend this morning who just rewatched Office Space, which is, of course, the archetype for the kind of awful workspace that is the opposite of yours.
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2022-06-08, 11:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
I can easily imagine Sunny and Elan, off having fun, tossing around ideas for how to surprise everybody in helpful ways. For narrative reasons, this will only make a big difference if they come back and tell everyone that they have some secret plans to help. Because you can't have something like that in a well-written story unless it's foreshadowed.
There's an age range where sorting buttons is feasible but the soldiers wouldn't want her underfoot. Even assuming that there are classes and activity sessions for children, there may well not be 24-hour child care available, so Minrah's Nana would find her an absorbing activity at home.
I recall that my mother had a big jar of buttons, many of them snipped from old clothes that were about to be thrown out, or repurposed as fabric or rags. I don't remember being tasked with sorting them, though that would have been an excellent activity for me. Once. I would probably have done the sorting more quickly than anyone expected, and then insisted that the buttons be stored in such a way as to preserve the order.
EDIT: I did, at one point, have a jar of pennies, which I won at a Cub Scout meeting by guessing the number of pennies. I'm not certain that I sorted them by age, but I definitely went through the jar and separated out the really old ones.Last edited by bunsen_h; 2022-06-08 at 11:58 AM.
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2022-06-08, 12:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
Halley grew a lot in her growth story arc, and so now she is not afraid to act as a competent manager and leader. It seems natural for rogues to grow into leadership roles.
I didn't remember that strip, and now I'm hoping that we will get a resolution to the evil-empire-ruled-by-secret-father storyline before the comic ends. What would be a better way to defeat Tarquin without him looking badass, that to do it entirely off-panel, and with a plan delegated to secondary characters?Last edited by TuringTest; 2022-06-08 at 12:15 PM.
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2022-06-08, 12:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
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2022-06-08, 12:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-06-08, 12:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
I don't see Haley as disrespectful, nor an unhealthy dynamic necessarily. Elan is childish in intellectual matters, with intelligence being his dump stat. His growth story arc focused on learning how to manage his emotions, gaining wisdom and behaving as an adult in his family and couple relationships. That's a good basis for a healthy relationship, if that means she has to handle matters that require brain power.
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2022-06-08, 12:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
Talky strip talks about talking in upcoming strips featuring more talking
But will there be a powerpoint?Some people think that Chaotic Neutral is the alignment of the insane, but the enlightened know that Chaotic Neutral is the only alignment without illusions of sanity.
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2022-06-08, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
You know the Order are still only quasi-professionals because they're not holding a pre-meeting first before the meeting.
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2022-06-08, 12:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2022-06-08, 12:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
Sunny and Elan are the perfect pair
On the other hand: I agree with Reboot that that isn't a good dynamic between Haley and Elan.Last edited by 137beth; 2022-06-08 at 12:49 PM.
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2022-06-08, 12:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-06-08, 01:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
Thog, is that you?
We heard that, you know :P
Having expectations of a life together sometimes means taking small frustrations with humor. It doesn't mean you don't get something more valuable in return.
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2022-06-08, 01:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
Yeah, it's a fine line. I'm okay with "You can go play with Sunny"; if I were given the choice between attending a strategy meeting and having an "unstructured alliance-strengthening excercise" with a child, I'd be fine with someone who knew what my choice would be characterising it that way. "No roughhousing", however, is the point where I think "Okay, mom."
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2022-06-08, 02:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
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2022-06-08, 02:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2022-06-08, 02:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
Xykon can't scry spontaneously.
He needs to teleport to his Teevo to scry.
In all honestly, when talking about word count per page, I feel like OOTS has the highest counts of any comic I can remember reading that doesn't get into the trap of 'show, don't tell'.The thing is the Azurites don't use a single color; they use a single hue. The use light blue, dark blue, black, white, glossy blue, off-white with a bluish tint. They sky's the limit, as long as it's blue.
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2022-06-08, 02:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
Ever read the book "I'm OK, You're OK" {Harris} about transactional analysis?
There was a part in that about the roles people assume in a conversation and various attempts to frame their positions as adult -> child or parent -> child ... which is what Haley is doing.
The author (Harris) does not illustrate that as healthy relationship.
Granted, Rich uses exaggeration for attempted comic effect with great frequency, and poking at tropes/patterns like that also.
While I am not sure if that book was the origin of The Parent, Adult, Child (P-A-C) model, it's the first place I remember seeing it).
Spoiler: RL example
My daughter tried to pull that crap on my wife last year (P-C interaction) and caused some interpersonal trauma. They eventually sorted it out.
Your 'gut reaction' to that strikes me as rational.Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2022-06-08, 02:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1259 - The Discussion Thread
Don't worry, the scrying allows a save, so as long as the order can...pass a will save...yeah ok, that might be a problem. Still, it's something I'd expect Serini would think about, so perhaps the backstage is warded against that kind of thing.
Okay, funny question, what's the webcomic you can remember reading with the lowest word count per page that does fall into 'show, don't tell'?