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2022-06-16, 03:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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what does the Order know about Tsukiko?
Tsukiko is dead and Redcloak came clean with Team Evil with that. The order does not know it though, Haley is familiar with her and she was included in O'Chul's report from his time in captivity.
I haven't seen the Order mention her at all though, no wondering where she is or factoring her in their fight planning.
Do they just dismiss her because we, the audience, know she's not a concern anymore? I guess they could reckon she was left in Azure City. She didn't show up at Girard's Gate either after all.Knowledge, logic, reason, and common sense serve better than a dozen rule books.
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2022-06-16, 10:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Sep 2018
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- EU
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Re: what does the Order know about Tsukiko?
They probably both suspect that she died in the siege of Azure City (technically true), and also don't think of her as an active threat anymore. They simply have no reason to worry about her, so they don't talk about her.
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2022-06-16, 11:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Mar 2009
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- Somewhere in Utah...
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Re: what does the Order know about Tsukiko?
They know she didn't show up at Girard's Gate and hasn't been with Team Evil here at Kragor's Tomb either.
They probably just assume that she's back in Azure City.
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2022-06-16, 11:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Dec 2009
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- Birmingham, AL
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Re: what does the Order know about Tsukiko?
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2022-06-16, 12:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Aug 2017
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- France
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Re: what does the Order know about Tsukiko?
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2022-06-16, 02:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: what does the Order know about Tsukiko?
Last edited by Rad; 2022-06-16 at 04:05 PM.
Knowledge, logic, reason, and common sense serve better than a dozen rule books.
E. G. Gygax
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Treegrappler of the Durkon fanclub
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2022-06-21, 10:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: what does the Order know about Tsukiko?
Since Tsukiko is from Azure City in the first place, it makes sense that Haley and Belkar (the only Order members who are really aware of her in the first place) would think she'd stayed to help rule over her old homeland. Girl's gotta gloat, after all, and they didn't know about her obsession with Xykon.
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2022-06-21, 10:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Feb 2013
Re: what does the Order know about Tsukiko?
But they know she works for Xykon and is reasonably high level, so it is a bit odd that they just assumed she'd be left behind despite being potentially useful and having some personal animosity towards Haley. I'm guessing they just didn't think too hard about her and wouldn't have been surprised if she showed up at Girard's or didn't.
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2022-06-21, 12:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Jul 2020
Re: what does the Order know about Tsukiko?
A better question is why they didn't expect her or the Monster to show up at Girard's Gate. They are both notably absent from the confrontation between the Order and Xykon in the first phase of the Pyramid Illusion.
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2022-06-21, 03:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Feb 2013
Re: what does the Order know about Tsukiko?
Maybe they thought the Monster had decided to ditch Team Evil for good, perhaps after they blamed him for helping V and O-Chul escape. Optimistic, but compared to Xykon saying Roy's name out loud...
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2022-06-21, 03:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: what does the Order know about Tsukiko?
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2022-06-22, 09:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Jun 2018
Re: what does the Order know about Tsukiko?
The group has never seen the monster fight. Belkar and Haley know that he's a thing, but they have no idea of its capabilities. The illusion wouldn't know enough from their memories to fake it.
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2022-06-22, 10:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Jul 2020
Re: what does the Order know about Tsukiko?
"Essentially impervious to weapon attacks, can cause earthquakes, wants to eat them (and everything else)" is hardly nothing. Heck, that all they know is this should count as a feature rather than a bug: what the Order's aware of is that he's insanely powerful with a surprisingly varied skillset, meaning that next to nothing the illusion would have him do could ruin the scenario.
Last edited by Metastachydium; 2022-06-22 at 10:26 AM.
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2022-06-23, 05:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Mar 2007
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Re: what does the Order know about Tsukiko?
I'm afraid that her absence in the first phase of the pyramid illusion is due to out-of-universe reasons. That strip is based on the viewers believing - if just for a second - that the illusion is real before revealing that it is not. The viewers already know for a fact that Tsukiko is gone (and that Team Evil decided not to raise her), so her presence would have spoiled the effect.
There are lots of ways to justify this in universe, but it's just a justification.Knowledge, logic, reason, and common sense serve better than a dozen rule books.
E. G. Gygax
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Treegrappler of the Durkon fanclub
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2022-06-23, 08:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Jun 2018
Re: what does the Order know about Tsukiko?
But it's not enough. They don't even know what it looks like, and the illusion will have no idea how to portray that. I don't even think Haley and Belkar saw it stomp the ground to cause the earthquake. The goal of the illusion is to take as long as possible for its victims to realize they're in it to give the defenders all the time they need to dispatch the invaders. So naturally, the illusion will remove uncertainties and play on what it knows it can use. Anything with the MitD risks the Order going "It can do that? That doesn't make sense!"
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2022-06-23, 09:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Dec 2019
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Re: what does the Order know about Tsukiko?
MitD is supposed to be joined forces with O-Chul, according to what is seen on the illusion.
Last edited by Precure; 2022-06-23 at 09:09 AM.
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2022-06-23, 09:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Jun 2021
Re: what does the Order know about Tsukiko?
The illusion apparently had some sort of "consensus" quality. It probed the minds of everyone present and tried to present a single illusional reality that best met the consensus of the participants. It realized it had to segment The cat and Belkar off into a secondary illusion (because the Cat had a completely different reality and all three of the others say Belkar as being dead and Belkar didn't really care about the same things they did, but that it could keep Roy, Haley and Elan all in a single illusional reality.
To do that it needs to create a reality that best met the needs of the consensus. All three of them were satisfied by an illusion involving them triumphing over team evil. However, Roy died before knowing Tsukiko existed and Elan was on a ship out of town before she became a part of team evil. Only Haley of the three of them had any mental image of Tsukiko as a member of team evil. So the illusion pared her out in order to meet the consensus reality of all three of them.
Likewise, although all three might've expected MitD, none of them had enough data to form a reasonable approximation within the illusion. Perhaps all three had a different idea of what it was exactly. Perhaps they subconsiously didn't think they could beat it. So the illusion pared IT out of the fight as well. Because it realized that he consensus for all three involved Xykon and Redcloak and it satisfied the needs of the spell.
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2022-06-23, 10:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Jul 2020
Re: what does the Order know about Tsukiko?
Um, no? Roy was present when Tsukiko and the rest of Suicide Squad got recruited by Hinjo, and he watched/eavesdropped on her fight and banter with Haley from the clouds, not to mention that through Haley and O-Chul he had a pretty accurate picture of her capabilities. (As for Elan, he never met Tsukiko, that much I'll give you, but technically, Xykon hired her immediately after killing Roy when Elan was still fighting on the outer wall.)
Further, Tsukiko did appear in the Pyramid Illusion, heck, she was even fought, just a tad bit later.
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Fair enough. That should be it.
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Likewise, although all three might've expected MitD, none of them had enough data to form a reasonable approximation within the illusion. Perhaps all three had a different idea of what it was exactly. Perhaps they subconsiously didn't think they could beat it. So the illusion pared IT out of the fight as well. Because it realized that he consensus for all three involved Xykon and Redcloak and it satisfied the needs of the spell.Last edited by Metastachydium; 2022-06-23 at 10:27 AM. Reason: To add stuff.