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    Default Highest SR relative to CR

    The roper has SR 30, which is 18 higher than its CR of 12. Other than the Mercane in the ELH, this is the highest SR relative to CR I know of. Is there a higher one in a non-epic product?

    Edit: for clarity, I'm not looking for combos that can grant high SR, just creatures which come with SR as standard.
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    Default Re: Highest SR relative to CR

    Golems have SR NI
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    Default Re: Highest SR relative to CR

    A Bariaur Forsaker 1 (you can enter at level 1 with 2 flaws) would have an SR of 22 and a CR of 1.

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    Default Re: Highest SR relative to CR

    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Despair View Post
    Golems have SR NI
    I had a feeling this would be one of the first answers, I was not disappointed

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthrowhale View Post
    A Bariaur Forsaker 1 (you can enter at level 1 with 2 flaws) would have an SR of 22 and a CR of 1.
    Thank you, but this wasn't intended as a "how high can you get SR?" question, just a "does anything come with higher relative SR out of the box?" one.

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    Default Re: Highest SR relative to CR

    Xill are CR 6 with SR 21
    Erynies are CR 8 SR 20
    Juggernaut are CR 11 SR 36
    Rhakasha are CR 10 SR 27
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    Default Re: Highest SR relative to CR

    The highest non-infinite Spell Resistance definitely belongs to anything with the epic version of the Pseudonatural Creature template: scaling SR equal to Hit Dice x5. Hard to beat that after a few HD; stick it on anything with inflated RHD for the CR, and there you go. Also, a shout out to Monster of Legend from the MM2; which can pick an ability that is basically infinite Spell Turning, which is effectively infinite SR like a golem, except it reflects back on the caster.
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    Default Re: Highest SR relative to CR

    Looking at CR 2 or less:
    • Pseudodragon - SR 19, CR 1
    • Iron Cobra - SR 19, CR 2

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    Default Re: Highest SR relative to CR

    There are quite a few at CR+15 to CR+17, but CR+18 or higher seems to be rare.

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    Juggernaut are CR 11 SR 36
    Good grief! I think we have a winner. Another one to add to the MM2's "surely this must be a misprint?" list...

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    Default Re: Highest SR relative to CR

    Aoa, Droplet (Fiend Folio): CR 3, SR 22 (Reflective Spell Resistance!); 22-3=19
    Maulgoth (Fiend Folio): CR 17, SR 37; 37-17=20
    Radiant Dragon, Great Wyrm (Draconomicon): CR 23, SR 42; 42-23=19
    Spellgaunt (Monster Manual II): CR 12, SR 35; 35-12=23
    Steel Dragon, Old (Dragons of Faerūn): CR 12, SR 30; 30-12=18
    Steel Dragon, Very Old (Dragons of Faerūn): CR 13, SR 32; 32-13=19
    Steel Dragon, Ancient (Dragons of Faerūn): CR 15, SR 34; 34-15=19
    Steel Dragon, Wyrm (Dragons of Faerūn): CR 16, SR 36; 36-16=20
    Steel Dragon, Great Wyrm (Dragons of Faerūn): CR 18, SR 38; 38-18=20

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShurikVch View Post
    Aoa, Droplet (Fiend Folio): CR 3, SR 22 (Reflective Spell Resistance!); 22-3=19
    Maulgoth (Fiend Folio): CR 17, SR 37; 37-17=20
    Radiant Dragon, Great Wyrm (Draconomicon): CR 23, SR 42; 42-23=19
    Spellgaunt (Monster Manual II): CR 12, SR 35; 35-12=23
    Steel Dragon, Old (Dragons of Faerūn): CR 12, SR 30; 30-12=18
    Steel Dragon, Very Old (Dragons of Faerūn): CR 13, SR 32; 32-13=19
    Steel Dragon, Ancient (Dragons of Faerūn): CR 15, SR 34; 34-15=19
    Steel Dragon, Wyrm (Dragons of Faerūn): CR 16, SR 36; 36-16=20
    Steel Dragon, Great Wyrm (Dragons of Faerūn): CR 18, SR 38; 38-18=20
    Ooh, thank you. It seems +20 is the limit unless you're in MM2...

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    Default Re: Highest SR relative to CR

    If templates are acceptable, then highest non-Epic examples is, probably Spellwarped Colossal Monstrous Crab (Stormwrack) CR 15, SR 59; 59-15=44
    Also, Shadow Simulacrum halves creature's CR (and HD); Petitioners are all CR 1 (and HD 2 or less), but may keep their original SR (if Ex, and not depends on HD number)

    If non-associated classes for NPC are in use - then, say, Mind Flayer Barbarian 8 would have CR 12 and SR 33; 33-12=21
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    Default Re: Highest SR relative to CR

    Quote Originally Posted by ShurikVch View Post
    If templates are acceptable, then highest non-Epic examples is, probably Spellwarped Colossal Monstrous Crab (Stormwrack) CR 15, SR 59; 59-15=44
    Also, Shadow Simulacrum halves creature's CR (and HD); Petitioners are all CR 1 (and HD 2 or less), but may keep their original SR (if Ex, and not depends on HD number)

    If non-associated classes for NPC are in use - then, say, Mind Flayer Barbarian 8 would have CR 12 and SR 33; 33-12=21
    Thank you, but I'm just looking for comes-as-standard SR, not combos that can boost it.

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