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    In interested! Especially if it's embarrassing!
    Well it's not embarrassing, sorry.

    I'm working on Hidden Embers, obviously.
    I'm also working off and on on two stories that take place further in the past- one in knight times, one not, to refresh.
    I'm also doing a story for the 99 Fleeting Fiction anthology. Probably won't get in because I'm bad at writing but I said I'd do the first writing opportunity that came my way, so... I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    Well it's not embarrassing, sorry.

    I'm working on Hidden Embers, obviously.
    I'm also working off and on on two stories that take place further in the past- one in knight times, one not, to refresh.
    I'm also doing a story for the 99 Fleeting Fiction anthology. Probably won't get in because I'm bad at writing but I said I'd do the first writing opportunity that came my way, so... I did.
    Not embarassing is probably better in the long run.

    Got back into Tiger &Bunny, because gay superheroes are best superheroes, and now I've got an urge to play a supers game or write a story just so I can have a hero sponsored by Weetabix. Just because it fits their current advertising campaign.
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    So here I am, trapped in my laboratory, trying to create a Mechabeast that's powerful enough to take down the howling horde outside my door, but also won't join them once it realizes what I've done...twentieth time's the charm, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouswizard View Post
    Not embarassing is probably better in the long run.

    Got back into Tiger &Bunny, because gay superheroes are best superheroes, and now I've got an urge to play a supers game or write a story just so I can have a hero sponsored by Weetabix. Just because it fits their current advertising campaign.
    Naw, most people seem to be embracing the idea of embarrassing stuff being good. It's just not for me.

    Is Tiger and Bunny actually gay? I looked it up and couldn't actually find anything about it.
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    I like the idea of Cultivation Stories, that is people taking in energy from outside them, internalizing it, and refining it in order to improve one's self by some metric or another, a better body, a stronger soul, a stronger mind and so on with the ultimate goal of achieving immortality or divinity through one's own efforts. Usually in settings that are "if Wuxia is Low Fantasy, this is is High Fantasy."

    In practice, almost all of them have the main protagonist, if not all "cultivators" as colossal narcissistic *******s who would rightfully be the villain in other stories, lying, cheating, and stealing to get what they want while murdering anyone who gets in their way and often literally sucking the life out of the world arond them in the worst cases. Even if they're genuinely heroic, they're probably the only one.

    While a common theme in these stories is "I will defy my fate/the will of the gods/the cycle of karma and rise up beyonfd my designated station" and that kind of thing requires a degree of ego it goes well beyond what's reasonable or even necessary for character motivation.

    The only cultivation thing I've found that doesn't fall into that pattern and isn't a parody/reimagining of the tropes is Triune Scriptures, which is... 1: Not a story, just some world-building documents as far as I can tell and 2: Technically a fan made Legend of Zelda AU.

    ...On the other hand, it explicitly makes people who act like typical Cultivation Protagonists the bad guys with benevolent Cultivators being the majority. Instead of Cultivation being defiance of fate, the Gods actively want people to Cultivate because doing it through approved methods bypasses conservation of energy in away that even the most gluttonous of "saint" Cultivators will at worst eventually break even with producing energy compared to taking it in and the majority eventually produce far in excess than what they need, let alone consume.

    Also, the three strongest forms of Cultivation literally function by slowly turning yourself into a living universe. "I worked out and meditated for a million years, now all of my cells are planets."
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    Naw, most people seem to be embracing the idea of embarrassing stuff being good. It's just not for me.
    Hey, I'm finally embracing the fact that you know what, I like writing adult literature even if it's ****e adult literature. Ideally nothing would actually be embarrassing because we'd accept that everything has a potential audience.

    I mean, making the sex scene in my novel more explicit than originally planned (but still not full blown erotica) probably kills any possible chance it had of a traditional publisher, but I think that ship sailed with 'pulp fantasy, aimed at teenage boys, starring a 25 year old trans women'. And I've got plans for like six books in this universe (two starring my current MC, four featuring a pulp superhero team).

    Is Tiger and Bunny actually gay? I looked it up and couldn't actually find anything about it.
    Not officially, annoyingly, but it's also pretty much official that at least Wild Tiger is not good at initiating romantic relationships. But considering how much teasing it gets I really hope it gets confirmed in this season.

    Although I'm still trying to work out if Fire Emblem is trans or just genderqueer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelphas View Post
    So here I am, trapped in my laboratory, trying to create a Mechabeast that's powerful enough to take down the howling horde outside my door, but also won't join them once it realizes what I've done...twentieth time's the charm, right?
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    How about a Jovian Uplift stuck in a Case morph? it makes so little sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    I like the idea of Cultivation Stories, that is people taking in energy from outside them, internalizing it, and refining it in order to improve one's self by some metric or another, a better body, a stronger soul, a stronger mind and so on with the ultimate goal of achieving immortality or divinity through one's own efforts. Usually in settings that are "if Wuxia is Low Fantasy, this is is High Fantasy."

    In practice, almost all of them have the main protagonist, if not all "cultivators" as colossal narcissistic *******s who would rightfully be the villain in other stories, lying, cheating, and stealing to get what they want while murdering anyone who gets in their way and often literally sucking the life out of the world arond them in the worst cases. Even if they're genuinely heroic, they're probably the only one.

    While a common theme in these stories is "I will defy my fate/the will of the gods/the cycle of karma and rise up beyonfd my designated station" and that kind of thing requires a degree of ego it goes well beyond what's reasonable or even necessary for character motivation.

    The only cultivation thing I've found that doesn't fall into that pattern and isn't a parody/reimagining of the tropes is Triune Scriptures, which is... 1: Not a story, just some world-building documents as far as I can tell and 2: Technically a fan made Legend of Zelda AU.

    ...On the other hand, it explicitly makes people who act like typical Cultivation Protagonists the bad guys with benevolent Cultivators being the majority. Instead of Cultivation being defiance of fate, the Gods actively want people to Cultivate because doing it through approved methods bypasses conservation of energy in away that even the most gluttonous of "saint" Cultivators will at worst eventually break even with producing energy compared to taking it in and the majority eventually produce far in excess than what they need, let alone consume.

    Also, the three strongest forms of Cultivation literally function by slowly turning yourself into a living universe. "I worked out and meditated for a million years, now all of my cells are planets."
    I was gonna bring up this particularly weird, bad-vibe as hell story archetype to you the next time you brought up your jumping stuff as a recommendation that you might like that I don't.

    I see I may have been wrong?

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    Hey, I'm finally embracing the fact that you know what, I like writing adult literature even if it's ****e adult literature. Ideally nothing would actually be embarrassing because we'd accept that everything has a potential audience.

    I mean, making the sex scene in my novel more explicit than originally planned (but still not full blown erotica) probably kills any possible chance it had of a traditional publisher, but I think that ship sailed with 'pulp fantasy, aimed at teenage boys, starring a 25 year old trans women'. And I've got plans for like six books in this universe (two starring my current MC, four featuring a pulp superhero team).

    Not officially, annoyingly, but it's also pretty much official that at least Wild Tiger is not good at initiating romantic relationships. But considering how much teasing it gets I really hope it gets confirmed in this season.

    Although I'm still trying to work out if Fire Emblem is trans or just genderqueer
    Given some of the stuff I've seen in actually published things, you'll be fine getting traditionally published. And none of what you're making is going to be worse than "abused slave falls in love with her abusive master and kills herself to make said master a super god".

    Aah, okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    I was gonna bring up this particularly weird, bad-vibe as hell story archetype to you the next time you brought up your jumping stuff as a recommendation that you might like that I don't.

    I see I may have been wrong?
    There are a number of Jump Documents based on Cultivations stories. Including one based on Triune Scriptures, which is how I found out about it.

    There's a Perk that just makes you a Link and a Perk that makes you a Zelda and there's nothing at all stopping you from having both of them at the same time if you're willing to spend 900 points on it and just confuse the hell out of everyone who can tell these things.
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    I took a nonfiction writing class in college once. For the last day, they brought our class a group of submissions to the school newspaper so we could see what we were competing with.

    Trust me: If you can write something that's legible - nevermind good, just something people can read - you already have a leg up on your competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    In practice, almost all of them have the main protagonist, if not all "cultivators" as colossal narcissistic *******s who would rightfully be the villain in other stories, lying, cheating, and stealing to get what they want while murdering anyone who gets in their way and often literally sucking the life out of the world arond them in the worst cases. Even if they're genuinely heroic, they're probably the only one.

    While a common theme in these stories is "I will defy my fate/the will of the gods/the cycle of karma and rise up beyonfd my designated station" and that kind of thing requires a degree of ego it goes well beyond what's reasonable or even necessary for character motivation.
    Sounds like Black Mana planeswalkers but with chi.

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    Also, the three strongest forms of Cultivation literally function by slowly turning yourself into a living universe. "I worked out and meditated for a million years, now all of my cells are planets."
    that sounds like really slow Infernal Exalted, but without the benefit of also still being the person you started as.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Raziere View Post
    that sounds like really slow Infernal Exalted, but without the benefit of also still being the person you started as.
    Cultivation, even in the worst settings, doesn't really change who you are any more than living longer and being physically/spiritually/mentally healthier and stronger than normally would. Smarter, stronger, more enlightened, more experienced, but the same fundamental person underneath.

    Honestly, you'd probably change less than that: Improved memory tends to be a benefit for some reason or another, either becuase your brain is part of your body and thus is improved when you improve your body or becuase there's some kind of mind/soul and body dualism and you're improving you mind/soul separately from your body to the point that it no longer needs such limitations.

    Especially in Triune Scriptures which seems to be mostly about taking the power Fantasy aspect of Cultivation stories and playing it straight in a way that doesn't make you an asshat.

    Like even of it grows wrong it won't change you, it'll just kill you which... Personally, I find preferable.

    ...Though, all cards on the table, since there's a Triune Scripture's Jump document, my advice for planning to head there usually includes doing the Addams Family document first, since it has a perk that gives you an unshakable ego that prevents your mind or spirit from being altered against your will and another that gives you full control of your "character development" so that you can always grow to be the person you want to be and will never become the kind of person you're not.

    Those aren't necessary for actually cultivating, but per the world building document there are certain tests of character you need to pass to profress to certain levels.

    It also has a perk that makes you highly resilient to injury(anything short of death or dismemberment is never as debilitating as it should be and you're guaranteed to make a perfect recovery for anything that you live through) while also letting you find genuine enjoyment in the sensation of pain. That would specifically be useful for Ki Cultivators in Triune Scriptures, becuase Ki cultivation puts a lot of stress on the body and some stages of its development are noted to hurt like Hell.
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