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2022-06-24, 11:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Are there any low-level creature summoning or conjuring spells?
I'm noticing a real lack of low-level minion summoning/calling/conjuring in 5E. So far, the closest I've gotten are Animal Friendship, Animal Messenger, and Find Familiar. Is there anything like 3E's Summon Monster I, Summon Undead I, or Summon Woodland Creature I?
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2022-06-24, 11:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Are there any low-level creature summoning or conjuring spells?
Summon Beast, level 2 druid spell from TCoE. Otherwise, stuff starts being available at level 5.
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2022-06-24, 12:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Are there any low-level creature summoning or conjuring spells?
Unseen Servant is about the only other Level 1 summoning spell, and its combat applications are limited to basic object interactions like pouring oil or caltrops on the floor.
As noted, the Level 2 spell Summon Beast is the first viable combatant summoning spell, first becoming available to Level 3 Druids or Level 5 Rangers. The other combat summoning spells don't become available until you hit Level 3 spells.Last edited by RogueJK; 2022-06-24 at 12:09 PM.
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2022-06-24, 03:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Are there any low-level creature summoning or conjuring spells?
Well that's annoying.
I wasn't looking to summon a solar at first level, just something that would give me a disposable minion for Magical Initiate.I have a blog; come see what I've created: https://thewhiteminotaur.wordpress.com/
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2022-06-24, 03:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Are there any low-level creature summoning or conjuring spells?
Summon familiar is a 1st level wizard spell. It can deliver touch spells and can receive dragon's breath (2nd level wizard spell)
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2022-06-24, 03:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Are there any low-level creature summoning or conjuring spells?
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2022-06-24, 03:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Are there any low-level creature summoning or conjuring spells?
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2022-06-24, 04:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Are there any low-level creature summoning or conjuring spells?
A fully disposable minion does not exist at level 1.
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2022-06-24, 05:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-06-24, 05:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-06-24, 05:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Are there any low-level creature summoning or conjuring spells?
What we need is an Eldritch Invocation that lets you cast Unseen Servant or Animal Friendship at will, expending a spell slot or material components. Like Misty Visions does for Silent Image.
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2022-06-24, 05:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-06-24, 05:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-06-24, 06:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Are there any low-level creature summoning or conjuring spells?
Well we already have spells for beasts, celestials, fey, undead, fiends, elementals, aberrations, so what if a 1st level summon was a slime? Short duration and concentration coupled with their slow movement speed and low AC will limit their usefulness, but they would still be a useful sack of HP with a nonstandard damage type
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2022-06-24, 06:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-06-24, 06:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Are there any low-level creature summoning or conjuring spells?
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2022-06-24, 06:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Are there any low-level creature summoning or conjuring spells?
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2022-06-24, 06:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-06-24, 07:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Are there any low-level creature summoning or conjuring spells?
Nothing at level 1 gives you unlimited casting of spells, outside of ritual casting. I don't think there's any issue with an invocation giving you unlimited casting of unseen servant, with a limit on how many you can have. Either just 1, up to maybe allowing a number equal to your proficiency bonus. But you won't get anything RAW that does what you're asking for, if rituals aren't acceptable.
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2022-06-24, 07:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-06-24, 07:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-06-24, 09:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Are there any low-level creature summoning or conjuring spells?
You could skip all that and convince the DM to accept your sidekicks rule. Choose a CR 1/2 monster and give it class levels. I've had some thoroughly enjoyable moments this way.
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2022-06-25, 01:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Are there any low-level creature summoning or conjuring spells?
I'm still not sure what the OP is trying to accomplish.
Find Familiar can do pretty much everything except for direct attacks (scout, trigger traps, hand potions, etc), I'm not sure why they are not disposable, if its because of the 10 gp... well, that's something I'd consider disposable.
If its a damage dealing minion you are looking for Investment of the Chain Master appears at level 3. Not the gratest, but its something.
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2022-06-25, 02:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-06-25, 06:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Are there any low-level creature summoning or conjuring spells?
Create Bonfire is kinda like a low-level summon, in the sense that you create something which sticks around for the duration of combat (or concentration), it serves as a sort of area denial, and it deals damage independent of your actions.
It can't move like other summons (though I'm wondering if you could cast it on a plant caddy and roll it around?), but if you want something with summoning flavor at early levels it could be refluffed as a small immobile elemental (ask your DM to swap out fire for acid damage, and it would kinda fit the ooze summon Kane0 mentioned).
Cloud of Daggers, Flaming Sphere, and Dust Devil can also be represented as 'summons' in this sense, as they too provide battlefield presence and independent sources of damage.
Again, it'd help to hear what purpose you're going for. Familiars can do basically anything outside of combat, the spells above can be slightly refluffed to work fine in combat, and unseen servants are a solid mix of both.Last edited by Inevitability; 2022-06-25 at 06:20 AM.
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2022-06-25, 06:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Are there any low-level creature summoning or conjuring spells?
That the iconic familiar - companion, assistant, confidant, friend - has been reduced to "disposable" in 5e is the greatest tragedy of all.
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2022-06-25, 07:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Are there any low-level creature summoning or conjuring spells?
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2022-06-25, 07:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-06-25, 02:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Are there any low-level creature summoning or conjuring spells?
VHuman with Eldritch Adept feat for the Misty Vision or Armor of Shadow Eldritch Invocations give you unlimited, at-will, no material component castings of Silent Image or Mage Armor. Unlimited casting of a 1st-level spell as a 1st-level character.
But an actual, summonable creature as a similar power is probably too much.
No, you're right. I was moving the goalposts there.
Just because some 1st-level spells can be acquired at will doesn't mean all of them should be acquirable. Summon Me An Ultra Minor Minion is probably one that shouldn't, in spite of the Yuan-Ti Animal Friendship example. Unseen Servant has some possibilities, though.
I hear you. I play mainly 2E; the missing consequences in 5E are a Thing, but not the Thing I'll discuss here. Note that I due play and enjoy 5E. And that's why, just not a familiar. Supposedly, you give a d*mn about a familiar; a random summon? Not so much.Last edited by thorr-kan; 2022-06-25 at 02:19 PM.
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2022-06-25, 04:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Are there any low-level creature summoning or conjuring spells?
Lost Laboratory of Kwalish does include a Flock of Familiars spell, which creates 2-3 additional familiars that you don't really care about; it's a 2nd level spell though.
5e has the philosophy that there shouldn't be many spell with overlapping mechanics. So there's one level 1 summon you are expected to care about (the familiar) and one level 1 summon for when you want something disposable (the Unseen Servant).
Aside from that, I think combat summons at 1st level could quickly become a balance issue, due to 5e's attempts at bounded accuracy. Whatever you summon at 1st level in 5e is still able to reasonably hit things at the point when 3.5e enemies would all have AC 19 points higher than its attack bonus.
Although if you do want a 5e 1st level summon spell, I'd maybe do something with swarms. Concentration for 1 minute and unless you spend an action to dissipate the swarm before the spell ends, it remains hostile for a few rounds before dissipating? So you can get the tools to be a summoner at 1st level, but its risky enough that everyone doesn't take it as a backup option.