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2022-07-18, 08:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
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2022-07-18, 08:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
Oona is a complete weirdo. She's wonderful.
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2022-07-18, 08:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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I love Oona so much. Bridge eating dolphins in my next campaign perhaps?
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2022-07-18, 08:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
I love the last line.
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2022-07-18, 08:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
So, hands up who thinks Oona is placing little-bald-cape-man in a different village to the one he's placing himself in
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2022-07-18, 08:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-07-18, 08:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
I imagine Oona had to explain the concept of metaphore to various monsters and other bugbears quite a lot of times
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2022-07-18, 08:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-07-18, 08:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
Oona is great.
Seperately some of the monsters had shoes and swords, wonder what they were seem to have been purple.
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2022-07-18, 08:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
Am I the only one seeing the danger here?
So far Redcloak has been focused on an abstract plan for an abstract result. He has not really focused on the outcome, or what comes next.
In baseball terms, he's trying to get a home run. Great, but that comes with a greater risk of striking out. Oona is opening his mind to the idea that a bunt might be the better strategy. Take the out and let a runner score.
So long as Redcloak's goal was imaginary, he could imagine any result he wanted. Being forced to look at the situation in concrete terms may result in his taking a strategy that yields concrete results.
And that scares me.
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2022-07-18, 08:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
I love how insightful Oona is. Redcloak probably won't have spoken too openly about any of this in the short time he's been in the village, but Oona sees right through him just from what she already knew of him and from her eavesdropping on his conversation with Durkon and Minrah. Unfortunately for her, the dolphins are coming.
Which might make her and the bugbears potential allies to the Order?ungelic is us
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2022-07-18, 08:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
The fact that redcloak takes it as an insult and immediately attempts to defend against the claim that his ego is a factor tells me that his ego is very much a factor and exactly which village he's going to be living in.
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2022-07-18, 08:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
No bet. Pretty obvious to everyone but little-bald-cape-man.
For the record, Oona is definitely being mined for inspiration for my Eberron game. I have an idea for a refuge in Droaam, and Oona's book-dumb philosophy-smart viewpoint is perfect for the intellectual parts of the Frontier of Monsters.My Homestuck role is Thane of Space of the Land of Insanity and Frogs.
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2022-07-18, 08:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
I hereby declare the launch of the SS Oona x Redcloak ! All aboard!
*Makes foghorn noises as of a large steamer leaving dock*
ETA: More seriously, if I understand what she's getting at, she's saying eventually Redcloak wants to believe he's right all along and that he cares about goblins. There may come a point ... and why would it be mentioned if it wasn't foreshadowing? ... that he has to choose between admitting error and sacrificing the happiness of the goblin people.
Oona believes he will admit error rather than double down on a failed Plan. Which might have been foreshadowed all the way back in Azure City when he had his moment of clarity about the hobgoblins, stopped wasting their lives and went on to win the war.
I hope he makes the right choice, but time will tell.
Respectfully,
Brian P.Last edited by pendell; 2022-07-18 at 08:31 AM.
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2022-07-18, 08:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
Greyview FTW.
Also, Oona is wiser than Redcloak. And not at all afraid of him, which may mean something about relative power levels. She has no problem telling him he's a egomaniac who will throw all goblins to the ravening jaws of bridge-eating dolphins rather than admit he's wrong about anything, and that she views her job as preventing the moment when he does that.
Which means Oona (and the bugbears) may come in on the side of the Order if Redcloak goes full megalomaniac. Which is probably due any day now.
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Redcloak loves Oona just as much as he loves all goblinkind! Which is, about as much as he loved his murdered brother, but he pretends really really hard to himself it's more than that.Last edited by Shining Wrath; 2022-07-18 at 08:32 AM.
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2022-07-18, 08:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-07-18, 08:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
A more peerless wordsmith than Oona you have never seen.
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2022-07-18, 08:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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"There is no escape from cruel flippers of entropy". I think that says it all...
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2022-07-18, 08:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
Ooof. But yes, 100% agreed with this.
I love the RP approach to high Wis, low Int. What I find fascinating though is that Redcloak almost certainly has a higher Wisdom (it must be at least 19 to cast 9th level spells, right?) and still lacks a critical level of self and situational awareness.
I guess all of the Wisdom in the world doesn’t matter when you have been operating with a fatal blind spot for your entire adventuring career.Spoiler: Stuff I'm Working OnSmall Justice
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2022-07-18, 08:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
Really? I got the opposite impression from her. Her desire to keep the dolphins from eating the bridge suggests (to me) that she thinks he's mostly in the "Was Right All Along" village.
See? This is firmly "I Was Right All Along" City Hall kind of stuff. Well said, Shining Wraith!
Edit: Thanks, Rich! Love it!Last edited by Lord Torath; 2022-07-18 at 08:42 AM.
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2022-07-18, 08:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
12 gods, I love Greyview.
Obviously.
And I find it reassuring that the Giant pretty much just affirmed through a clearly correct character that Redcloak's motivations is largely "I have to believe that I wasn't wrong to kill my brother, which means I have to believe that dialogue won't work and that working with Xykon isn't a mistake."
No jarring difference in how the audience vs the author see the character is coming our way. Whatever the end will be, it will be entrenched in Redcloak's established character flaws.Screaming defiance with the last breath
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2022-07-18, 08:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-07-18, 08:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-07-18, 08:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
Redcloak in panel 9 looks like he's having "you might need to disappear later" thoughts.
I don't think Xykon would let another Tsukiko go by without question, though. I'd bet the first one sent up alarm flags already.
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2022-07-18, 08:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
On consideration a lot of presumedly innocent people living comfortable together in a cave are now dead because The Order lured Team Evil into a cave and hid from them ...
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2022-07-18, 08:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
Well, yes, since he did reject the reasonable options when faced with the knowledge everything is going to burn if he continues with The Plan.
Don't forget Serini purposefully put in a lot of monsters in the caves in the first place just for that reason. To kill anyone who entered, or to dissuade those strong enough to beat them by the fact that they seem neverending.Last edited by sihnfahl; 2022-07-18 at 08:51 AM.
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2022-07-18, 08:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
If Xykon was here he'd be saying that Redcloak already chose what village to live in a LONG time ago.
The one his brother didn't live in.
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2022-07-18, 08:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
This might be a 'Nixon goes to China' moment.
Where he could not believe the Dwarf Clerics of giving honest data about the situation. Oona is a Gobbo, and an ally.
It might actually get under his defenses.
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2022-07-18, 08:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
Guys I think your misunderstanding Oona's position here. she isn't labeling Redcloak as an egomaniac and that she will definitely join the Right Side when its her time. its her trying to point out to Redcloak in the best terms she knows how he has two priorities: Doing What Is Best For Your People and Being Right. Her position is that most of the time this is fine, but that sometimes you have to admit your wrong to do what is best your people and that trying to prove that your right isn't always what is best for your people.
She is saying she is trying her best to make sure things don't go badly for him, but is sure which one he will choose. This is pretty ambiguous. it could be a threat sure, but given that she is explaining all this hoping that he understands may show its an expression of faith that he will make the right decision. it could be taken both ways.
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2022-07-18, 08:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1262 - The Discussion Thread
On the contrary. She pretty clearly believes he will double down on the Plan rather than admit he was wrong. She said she wasn't worried because she isn't - she already pretty much knows what his choice will be, so no point in worry.
Her pragmatic response is to fight off the dolphins so he doesn't have to choose."All right, I am not the Shadow. You have nothing at all to worry about. Except oh, wait, I'm pointing a gun at you."
--The Shadow