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    The surface trappings of D&D were lifted from Tolkein, but I do agree that the 'meat' of the game has always been very different. In a way, D&D has actually become more Tolkein-esque over time as it evolved from a loot-and-murder, episodic dungeon crawl-centric game into the sprawling save-the-world heroic fantasy adventures that are a dime a dozen these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Glyphstone View Post
    The surface trappings of D&D were lifted from Tolkein, but I do agree that the 'meat' of the game has always been very different. In a way, D&D has actually become more Tolkein-esque over time as it evolved from a loot-and-murder, episodic dungeon crawl-centric game into the sprawling save-the-world heroic fantasy adventures that are a dime a dozen these days.
    Of the major sources that were used to build D&D, Tolkien had - by an absurd margin - the most complete world-building, and therefore in terms of setting elements Tolkien-derived material dominated. At the same time it was the other inspirations, Howard, Leiber, Moorcock, Vance, etc., with their mostly self-contained adventure stories that informed the core gameplay elements.

    However, D&D did indeed evolve towards prioritizing 'save the world' plots, and in fact it did so very rapidly. The Dragonlance Chronicles, first published in 1984-85, and by far the most influential piece of D&D related media ever produced, redefined D&D in that mode very firmly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodin View Post
    I'm not disputing D&D pulling from a large fantasy soup when it was created. They stole from a lot of people, after all. I just find it hard to say that Tolkien's works weren't the biggest single source for original D&D, no matter how much that has changed over time.
    So much so that things circled around in the LotR movies when the Hobbits refered to themselves ah Halflings for the Ent to understand what they were. ^^

    I know in my case, it's because of D&D that I got into LotR, so there's a small benefit for the two things having connections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigoDragon View Post
    So much so that things circled around in the LotR movies when the Hobbits refered to themselves ah Halflings for the Ent to understand what they were. ^^
    No, halfling was a word used for hobbits in LotR (the books) as well. It's just that the word hobbit is trademarked and halfling isn't, so D&D had to call them halflings.

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    And to illustrate the point further, the Greysky City thieves' guild employs e.g. bards and clerics of Loki.
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    Oh sure, I was being facetious. I guess I should have gone blue with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zevox View Post
    I think the problem is that the Rings of Power trailers don't really tell us much. They're just vague and confusing, peppered with occasional references that fans who are familiar with pre-LotR stories will get (like the Two Trees and Gurthang), but not much else. They don't make the basic premise or story clear beyond vaguely hinting at Sauron, and showing enough of Galadriel to get across the idea that she's probably a/the main character. The trailers ultimately exist to do little more than show that yes, this show does look a lot like the movies and will involve things you remember from them, and drop those few references for the hardcore fans to pick up on.

    By contrast, this D&D trailer gives you the basic idea of what it's going for pretty well: band of thieves turned unlikely heroes in action-comedy film. Throw in some classic D&D monsters for fans to recognize and people who aren't familiar with it to go "woah, what's that thing?" over, and it's a simple but effective trailer. Possibly because it's not a follow-up to anything, so it has to explain what it is in order to get anyone interested in the first place. Where the folks behind the Rings of Power trailers clearly expect a built-in audience and think that teasing and mystery will be a better way to get attention.
    When I saw this I just had to comment. I haven't seen the trailer but I hope with all my hopers that tom bombidail is there. I like that guy better than gandalf.

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    So thereís a poster out now and, uh, it looks absolutely terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggling Ghast View Post
    So thereís a poster out now, and uh, it looks absolutely terrible.

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    It's a terribly cheap looking dragon, at least. And an incredibly bland composition. Everything is either red or brown, with the same lighting, so it blurs together a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggling Ghast View Post
    So thereís a poster out now and, uh, it looks absolutely terrible.

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    I gotta be honest guys, I'm not liking this new direction the MCU is taking here, seems oddly lacking in superhero costumes and tech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Raziere View Post
    I gotta be honest guys, I'm not liking this new direction the MCU is taking here, seems oddly lacking in superhero costumes and tech.
    This looks more like the poster for a B-movie knockoff of a MCU film.

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    I'll come out and say that Chris Pine does not rock the moustache as well as he thinks he does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Raziere View Post
    I gotta be honest guys, I'm not liking this new direction the MCU is taking here, seems oddly lacking in superhero costumes and tech.
    What, you don't like this team up of Morbius, Star Lord, Killmonger, the Collector, black Dr. Strange, Black Widow and Valkyrie?
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    I like the previous (Walmart) poster better

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    What, you don't like this team up of Morbius, Star Lord, Killmonger, the Collector, black Dr. Strange, Black Widow and Valkyrie?
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    But really, the important lesson here is this: Rather than making assumptions that don't fit with the text and then complaining about the text being wrong, why not just choose different assumptions that DO fit with the text?
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    I personally appreciate that they're leaning into the goofiness.

    Will it make a great movie? Probably not, but it WILL make a movie that captures what a lot of people like about D&D, the idea of having an epic adventure that's also just goofing off with your friends.
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    I think we all know it's not going to be a great movie. But hopefully it will be entertaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggling Ghast View Post
    So thereís a poster out now and, uh, it looks absolutely terrible.

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    Eh, looks like a pretty typical movie poster to me.
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    Everything is either red or brown, with the same lighting, so it blurs together a lot.
    They must have forgotten to apply the blue&orange filter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zevox View Post
    Eh, looks like a pretty typical movie poster to me.
    The make up on the looming guy looks a little meh.
    I'll echo you, though, Zevox-it doesn't look really out of the ordinary.

    I'll also echo the sentiment of "Doesn't look like it'll be AMAZING but hopefully it'll at least be fun."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodin View Post
    I just find it hard to say that Tolkien's works weren't the biggest single source for original D&D, no matter how much that has changed over time.
    Then say it, because whether you believe it or not, it's true.
    Hobbits were in the original game, but a cease and desist order from the Tolkien estate got that changed to halfling. It was interesting to read years later that Gygax was against including them but so many players wanted the option that he caved. The wargamer geeks of the early 70's were a fusion of SF and Fantasy and Sword and sorcery fans.
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    That attempts by the war gamers to try and put a LotR into Chainmail - successfully - gets an outsized share of credit for the game's final form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zevox View Post
    Eh, looks like a pretty typical movie poster to me.
    It is not the most horrendous thing Iíve ever seen, but as someone who knows a tiny bit about design, itís not what I would expect of a professionally-made movie poster.

    Itís more of a ďHey, my kidís good at Photoshop, letís get him to design itĒ level of quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggling Ghast View Post
    It is not the most horrendous thing Iíve ever seen, but as someone who knows a tiny bit about design, itís not what I would expect of a professionally-made movie poster.

    Itís more of a ďHey, my kidís good at Photoshop, letís get him to design itĒ level of quality.
    Would you be willing to explain what sort of issues you see for those of us who know nothing about design?
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    Bad composition of the heads, terrible lighting. Does a very poor job of drawing the eyes down to the title. And that dragon looks awful.
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    DM made the classic mistake of taking more than 4 players I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saintheart View Post
    DM made the classic mistake of taking more than 4 players I see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleBison View Post
    Would you be willing to explain what sort of issues you see for those of us who know nothing about design?
    (I know you didn't ask me specifically, but...)

    Stuff like this can be hard to explain. If the poster looks good to you, then it's fine. It's doing its job after all. I can go into how I think most designers or people with some design experience or awareness might react to it, but that can come across as an attempt to turn something fundamentally subjective into an objective mindset. There is no objective good or bad in art. At the same time, there are plenty of things that most people will like or not like, which can create the impression that there is.

    I do find things "wrong" with this poster, but it's important to remember that this is just my opinion and interpretation. I know enough about design to imagine I can perceive the decisions made by those who created it, and I can judge those decisions individually and how they add up to the whole, and compare them to decisions I would have made instead. Of course once I start doing that, and I wonder why the artist(s) behind this poster made different decisions, I'm reminded that often those decisions get overruled by people higher up in pay grade and it becomes There But For the Grace of Bahamut Go I.

    I don't know if you can tell that I really want to list out all the problems I see with this poster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saintheart View Post
    DM made the classic mistake of taking more than 4 players I see.
    Two of these characters are antagonists. Another is the main protagonist, which would imply a DMPC.

    That leaves exactly four players at the table.
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