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2022-08-11, 10:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1264 - The Discussion Thread
Gonna throw out here the description of a Septon (7th rank; 49 in existence):
Septons looked humanoid, with a large head. On one side of its head was a face, with two eyes, nose and mouth. The head was hairless and was supported by a collar of sorts that encircled it's shoulder area. Around this collar were seven evenly spaced small arms.
This seems to fit the way Rich drew it, specifically with the collar and the multiple arms. There are 5 visible in the panel, but since 7 arms at rest would get a bit crowded, I'm guessing that the remaining two are simply behind its body. n00bs like me can check out https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Modron to learn all about Modrons.
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2022-08-11, 10:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1264 - The Discussion Thread
Definitely resembles a Quinton, who are the major bureau chiefs and record keepers of the Modrons. Entering into a contract seems like it would fit into the role of a Quinton.
Their (3E) abilities (from the Manual of the Planes WE) include Legend Lore at will, which is what I suspect Redcloak is after.
It's worth pointing out that one of the 'arms' appears to be coming from behind the creature and is probably a prehensile tail. Which also fits with the Quinton.Last edited by Magesmiley; 2022-08-11 at 10:15 AM.
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Re: OOTS #1264 - The Discussion Thread
Huh. That has... implications.
Sure, but he may commit some new one while they're around.
Does D&D really call it that?
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Re: OOTS #1264 - The Discussion Thread
lowkey thinking the word "Gate" might be some kind of mental conditioning / trigger word to make Mitd's mind retroactively erase recent memories and not form new memories for a time.
maybe relevant to THE gates, maybe not. but it's a thought if nothing else. most likely just overthinking a running gag though.Avy by Thormag
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2022-08-11, 10:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1264 - The Discussion Thread
Just looked it up and that seems to be the case it was called The Modrons (also had stats for everything up to a Secondus)- the enhancement is available on the wayback machine and it includes this line: 'This Wizards of the Coast game product contains no Open Game Content. No portion of this work may be reproduced in any form without written permission'.
Also based on that supplement this creature if we were using it would seem to match a quinton very well - perhaps The Giant did get permission, or maybe maybe enough time has past since 2001 for it not to matter, or parody being protected etc, or maybe it just isn't isn't a quinton.
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OOTS #1264 - The Discussion Thread
Rich knows how to land a cultural reference pretty well.
Probably.
I do like the in-world example of how the XP cost of a spell manifests itself.
I like the "what gate" gag resurfacing.
Xykon's impatience is very much in character.
ModronEULAESLA: of course they have one!Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2022-08-11 at 10:25 AM.
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2022-08-11, 10:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1264 - The Discussion Thread
Cheer up, ESLA-chanter, Redcloak might actually listen.
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Re: OOTS #1264 - The Discussion Thread
Btw modrons are more about law and order to absurdity not logic. They are not embodiments so much as natives of the plane. They are so weird that the extremes of the castes can’t even see each other - possibly an in joke about TSR office politics at the time
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2022-08-11, 10:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1264 - The Discussion Thread
Looks like! From https://www.tsrarchive.com/3e/Modrons.pdf:
A quinton is a tall, stocky humanoid with four flexible arms jutting out from its shoulders and a prehensile tail that serves as a fifth arm. Each of its five arms ends in a five-fingered hand. From its back sprouts a pair of fanlike wings, similar to those of a hexton. A diamond inscribed in the quinton’s forehead serves as a symbol of rank.
Quintons speak the modron tongue, plus Abyssal, Auran, Celestial, Infernal, and the trade tongue of the planes. They receive orders from quartons and pass them along to hextons.
The quintons are the bureau chiefs and recordkeepers of Mechanus. Each quinton heads a separate bureau — there is one bureau in each of the regional and quarter towers, plus five in Primus’s tower. Each quinton has one hexton assistant, who in turn can put additional lower-ranked modrons at its supervisor’s disposal.Last edited by Toper; 2022-08-11 at 10:33 AM.
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Re: OOTS #1264 - The Discussion Thread
Modrons are pure Lawful, but yes.
As opposed to Devas being Lawful Good, or Fiends being Chaotic Evil.
GATE has an XP cost is the point.
A baseball game has 9 innings, so putting your best guy in during the 7th means they will have go longer than if you put them in right at the end. Which is OK if they've got the stamina for it.
Unlike Xykon, he seems to care about it."Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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2022-08-11, 10:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1264 - The Discussion Thread
Redcloak is summoning an Modron of law to a place within a hundred miles of Xykon? THIS WILL NOT END WELL.
I am unsure how the summoned Modron will speed things up, but that's for Redcloak to know and me to find out.
For the curious, a link to the SRD for Gate. Redcloak can get a single being with CR up to twice his caster level, or multiple beings with total CR equal to his caster level. So, one super-powerful being, or a slew of mini searchers.
It also costs him 1000 XP per cast, out of a probable total of about 140,000. If he casts enough, it drops him a level. He can't do this casually.This ... is my signature finishing move!
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2022-08-11, 10:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1264 - The Discussion Thread
I thought you COULDN'T go down a level. If it would drop you a level to pay an XP cost you just couldn't cast it. IIRC you were allowed to delay leveling up if thought you were going to cast a big XP spell for exactly that reason.
"Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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Re: OOTS #1264 - The Discussion Thread
So is RC going to ask it the logically optimal way to locate the gate?
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Re: OOTS #1264 - The Discussion Thread
Unsure as to rules about XP loss, I never had to DM that situation.
A little more about baseball pitchers:
Normally you have a starting pitcher, who you want to go as long as possible. A "complete game" is when no relief pitchers are used. These are now somewhat rare. Because pitching at the major league level is so fatiguing, a team will have 4 or 5 starters, and a starting pitcher only starts every few games. If the starter doesn't go at least 5 innings before being replaced (pulled), they cannot receive credit as the winning pitcher, even if their team wins.
Then you have middle relievers. These are the guys you bring in if you have to replace your starter in the middle innings. They can go 2 or 3 innings, usually, and can pitch every few days.
And then there's the closer. This is the best reliever on the team, and sometimes the best pitcher. This is the guy you bring in for one inning if your team has a small lead, and he usually has the ability to shut down the other team with a near-unhittable pitch or two (e.g., a 100 MPH fastball, or a wicked curve).
If you bring in the closer to do anything other than protect a small lead in the last inning, it's a sign that the situation is desperate.This ... is my signature finishing move!
"It's never good when you make a fiend cringe" - MadGrady
According to some online quiz, I'm a 6th level TN Wizard. They didn't give me full XP for all the monsters I've defeated while daydreaming.
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Re: OOTS #1264 - The Discussion Thread
Ooo, I just remembered something about Gate. If you want the summoned creature(s) to do anything that takes significant time (more rounds than you have caster levels, so 2 minutes or so), you have to pay them, in a "coin" that they value.
What will a Modron want in payment? Service? Gold? Metals?
Here's a thought: Redcloak sets very low value on MitD. Will he attempt to trade MitD for Modron support?This ... is my signature finishing move!
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Re: OOTS #1264 - The Discussion Thread
Quintons are CR14 so they're decently formidable in a fight, but one wouldn't be more than a speed bump on its own against the Order at this point. However, their real strength is in information gathering and recording and they have a bunch of abilities and spells along those lines. Plus, each one has a literal army of lesser Modrons (at least hundreds and possibly thousands) under their command and every single one, even the very weakest, has innate True Seeing.
These guys are here to cut through the illusions and other misdirections to figure out exactly where Kraagor's Gate actually is.
Edit - I wonder if this is Serini's worst nightmare in terms of protecting Kraagor's Gate or if she's got something up her sleeve even for this. Because this is varsity-level Divination and shenanigans-unraveling.Last edited by Crusher; 2022-08-11 at 11:00 AM.
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Re: OOTS #1264 - The Discussion Thread
Why wouldn't he? He's Lawful, that's the entire point of this. We can assume he'll stick with the agreement until noted otherwise.
I confess this would be pretty amusing.
A modron would certainly have had a field day with his logic here.
IIRC the Giant gave an explanation on Product Identity monsters before, it's linked in the MitD thread as rationale for why PI doesn't rule out a monster from appearing in the comic.
I dunno... That spell can take days if not weeks to cast. And the results might not be much better than the info they have now.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2022-08-11, 10:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1264 - The Discussion Thread
Quinton seems to fit perfectly well without making any assptions, though. Plus the delightful phrase "Quinton for the win-ton" that u am shamelessly stealing from the MitD thread.
Does it? We already know the gods basically feed on soul power, and the reason for existence is for people to grow so they have more soul power. Seems to fit perfectly well with what we already know and doesn't really have any implications that didn't exist before.
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Awww, I love the Modrons! They warm the cold cockles of my lawyer's heart.
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Wait, this whole time we’ve been talking about a spell?
That made me actually laugh out loud and the terms and conditions were pretty funny too. Props to the playgrounders here who answered my question of “What did he summon?” before I could ask it.
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2022-08-11, 11:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1264 - The Discussion Thread
Doesn't the teleport line have some kind of illusion/invisibility component?
Now that I think about it, I suppose it couldn't, could it? Aren't liches immune to illusions?
Edit - Here's a link to the stats and some pics of the high ranking Modrons. The art of the Quinton looks a *lot* like this guy. He's even got the steampunk-y monocle thing and elbow pads.
https://dmdave.com/modrons-2/Last edited by Crusher; 2022-08-11 at 11:08 AM.
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