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2022-08-15, 06:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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What is the Lowest INT Creature to Have an Alignment?
I was looking over beast statblocks looking for a good CR 1 creature to suggest the party druid summons when they get Conjure Animals* and noticed that the Giant Vulture has 6 INT and an alignment of Neutral Evil.
So I thought to myself, I thought "self, that's the same intelligence as the unaligned ape. I thought it was an unwritten rule that beasts couldn't HAVE alignment." Like I know Giant Eagles are an exception but they have 8 intelligence and their own language.
So I thought to myself I thought "self, I wonder what other beasts have alignments." And it seems like only Giant Eagles and Vultures (and probably some from setting-specific material like that otter wizard) have one as sort of a... perfectly balanced, as all things should be type deal.
But then why do Giant Vultures have two less intelligence, tying them with the unaligned ape and putting them BENEATH the unaligned Giant Ape?
So what is the lowest INT creature to have an alignment? Other than a player who rolls badly and plays a Volo Orc for the lolz. And is there any reason I'm not aware of for making Giant Vultures Evil?
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2022-08-15, 06:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What is the Lowest INT Creature to Have an Alignment?
Are you using creature in the 5E sense, because Warhorse Skeleton (LE) would be in the running, at INT 2.
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2022-08-15, 07:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ah yes, I forgot about undead. So Zombie would be second with 3.
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2022-08-15, 07:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-08-15, 07:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What is the Lowest INT Creature to Have an Alignment?
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2022-08-15, 07:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What is the Lowest INT Creature to Have an Alignment?
I don't think the ability to have an alignment even is tied to Intelligence in 5e. I think it's just an arbitrary trait that is assigned on a case-by-case basis.
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2022-08-16, 01:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What is the Lowest INT Creature to Have an Alignment?
Me, Int 0, neutral good
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2022-08-16, 09:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-08-16, 09:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-08-16, 11:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Beings under the effect of feeblemind don't appear to lose their alignment
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2022-08-16, 12:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What is the Lowest INT Creature to Have an Alignment?
It has to be that alignment because it's a type of devil, but it's not really a sapient (or even sentient) with an intelligence of 1. Kind of interesting.
I mean, at intelligence 1, you can't even reasonably hold a Lemure responsible for its actions. It's acting on pure instinct at that point. It's essentially a devil-shaped snake or shark (which have the same intelligence score).
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2022-08-16, 12:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-08-16, 12:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2022-08-16, 12:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-08-16, 01:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-08-16, 01:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-08-16, 01:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Seems to me like the devil worshipers get off scot free. I mean they immediately emerge from the river with no memory of who they were, what they did, etc. So nothing they did in life is really being punished. I much prefer the old school afterlife description where the devils like to make deals with powerful individuals and corrupt them so when they died their soul was tortured to extract every bit of spiritual energy out of them, possibly for centuries, until all that is left is the mindless, powerless husk that becomes a Lemure. Some devils were tasked with making sure that the newly arrived did not drink from the river Styx so who and what they were would be in tact for maximum energy extraction.
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2022-08-16, 01:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What is the Lowest INT Creature to Have an Alignment?
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2022-08-18, 12:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What is the Lowest INT Creature to Have an Alignment?
Well... and the whole place being made of and expressing Evil... the ground and air and everything itself is a shade of evil (in the hard-for-mortals-to-really-get way of the Outer Planes). Even without other people, the very presence of the Lower Planes is pretty malevolent; just... not to punish you