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2022-08-29, 09:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1266 - The Discussion Thread
BRB, stealing this idea for Planar Binding/Gate in my own games. This is just the kind of wacky thing an outsider would care about that a mortal wouldn't even notice.
Also, the fact that Xykon is a greater source of chaos than literal demons is a pretty interesting (though unsurprising) revelation.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2022-08-29, 10:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-08-29, 10:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1266 - The Discussion Thread
Because Redcloak deserved something today.
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2022-08-29, 10:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-08-29, 10:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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I have not laughed so hard at anything in a long time, including OOTS
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2022-08-29, 10:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1266 - The Discussion Thread
This is going to bite Xykon. He agreed to ending EVERY sentence with a word with an odd number of letters. But he did NOT specify it was for the duration of the task.
Those terms and conditions they skipped are going to come back to haunt him, aren't they?
Also I guessOr is that just a Law thing?SpoilerDurokan had a premium subscription, no ads during his Gate summon in Start of Darkness!SpoilerI Am A: Chaotic Neutral Human Sorcerer (5th Level)
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2022-08-29, 10:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1266 - The Discussion Thread
I smell an upcoming situation where Xykon benefits from choosing his words carefully.
The thing is the Azurites don't use a single color; they use a single hue. The use light blue, dark blue, black, white, glossy blue, off-white with a bluish tint. They sky's the limit, as long as it's blue.
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2022-08-29, 10:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1266 - The Discussion Thread
I'm betting that instead of using a roundabout word for the Snarl, Xykon will end up having to use its name/title since it's an odd-numbered word. The quinton will pick up on it but due to writing constraints we won't have another neutral party take interest in the fate of this world.
Although... the entities of Neutral Law would probably be interested in ways to mitigate the Snarl's future shenanigans, so maybe the Quinton will take interest.Characters I've enjoyed playing for more than four sessions:
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2022-08-29, 10:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-08-29, 10:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1266 - The Discussion Thread
I love that Xykon just made his life more difficult by switching to odd number of letters. He really has such a child's mentality.
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2022-08-29, 10:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-08-29, 10:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1266 - The Discussion Thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTCPux9REXo
Fighting in that battle likely qualified as an "immediate task." Per the spell entry: "You need not make any agreement or pay any reward for the creature(s) help" for those, ergo no ads.
This, and besides, what good would it do for the agreement to last longer than the Quinton's service? Xykon would simply break it at that point and lose nothing as the Quinton would already be gone.Last edited by Psyren; 2022-08-29 at 10:32 AM.
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2022-08-29, 10:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1266 - The Discussion Thread
This is Belkar in the fight with ice giants ALL AGAIN.
Belkar and Xykon have so much to share!
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Meanwhile, a malevolus halfling and his just coincidentally lich buddy kidnap a mysterious monster in a box.
"That was hylarious, Xykon. What are we going to do tomorrow night?"
"The same thing we do every night, Belkar - try to take over the world!"Last edited by Laurentio III; 2022-08-29 at 10:35 AM.
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2022-08-29, 10:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-08-29, 10:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1266 - The Discussion Thread
Ultimately evil is always self-defeating.
Though in Xykon's case it might be the chaotic part playing a greater role.
Even if I don't think the chaotic good characters would've started this discussion."If it lives it can be killed.
If it is dead it can be eaten."
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2022-08-29, 10:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1266 - The Discussion Thread
Just end every sentence with "...so says Xykon." Or go the movie gangster route and say "see."
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2022-08-29, 10:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1266 - The Discussion Thread
This is genuinely delightful. Next time my players encounter a high-order modron, I'm stealing this.
What an awesome strip. Redcloak arguing with Xykon is always fun, and it's cool to see Redcloak actually put some oomph behind this one and get what he wants. Curious to see if this prompts them to have any more debates...
Also: I love how Xykon does his tiny rebellion against the request by picking odd numbered words instead of even numbered. I can't imagine it will actually affect anything -- I think it really is just like a kid convincing themselves that they're agreeing to something on their own terms by altering the terms insignificantly. Feels like just a straight-up ego move.
My guess is that this is magically compelled, and Xykon is just forced to keep talking until he hits an odd-numbered word
EDIT: "[Spell Name], dumbass" is a good fallback and even has precedent from Xykon's fight with Darth Vaarsuvius.Last edited by Ionathus; 2022-08-29 at 10:51 AM.
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2022-08-29, 10:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1266 - The Discussion Thread
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2022-08-29, 10:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1266 - The Discussion Thread
Xycon is the one mass-murdering maniac I find myself telling "don't ever change, Xycon".
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2022-08-29, 10:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1266 - The Discussion Thread
This is more crippling than first glance would indicate, because casting a spell counts as a sentence. And as a sorcerer, xykon can't just swap his spells out.
Let's look at the spells we know xykon has and whether the final words they end on is odd or even:
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Superb dispelling, Animate Dead, symbol of pain, [any] teleport, [any] hold person, symbol of insanity, [any] fireball, soul bind, cloister
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Energy drain, Overland Fly, cloudkill, contingency, finger of death, ghostform, meteor swarm, magic missile
Xykon will either have to not use those spells, or work them into sentences like when he went "MAXIMIZED energy drain, dumbass!" On Varsuvius. Either way, having to stop and think about that in combat will slow him down and might even make him slip up. If he fails to maintain the price, the Quinton might even Gate out the instant he slips.If you think "interesting" is an anticlimax, I feel sorry for you because it means you don't really know about interesting.
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Doesn't have to, he can also integrate them into a sentence, for example:
So, MAXIMIZED energy drain, dumbass.Forum Wisdom
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2022-08-29, 11:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1266 - The Discussion Thread
Of the spells you list, though, only a couple (Animate Dead, Hold Person, maybe Teleport) could be considered a sentence (subject and verb). The rest are just dependent clauses or free-floating words, and Xykon can speak “only in sentences ending in words containing an odd number of letters.”
“Energy Drain” is not a sentence at all, so would violate the terms regardless of the number of letters in “Drain.”
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2022-08-29, 11:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Wondering if the Giant wrote this with a goal in mind: To set a new upper bound for how silly we could get quibbling over details in his writing, as if they're ironclad rules that Must. Be. Obeyed. by even the writer.
As opposed to being simple twists and turns in a road that he's still paving toward a destination that he knows and we don't. (^_~)b
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2022-08-29, 11:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1266 - The Discussion Thread
One could go back and look at all of Xykon's dialogue to see which of those words he uses at the end of a sentence. In this strip he naturally uses even-letter words for the sake of the joke, but maybe it'd be different if you considered his dialogue over the past in-comic week or month.
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2022-08-29, 11:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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[Q]"for the duration of the task", second panel.
Xykon proposed an amendment, not a new deal.
This, and besides, what good would it do for the agreement to last longer than the Quinton's service? Xykon would simply break it at that point and lose nothing as the Quinton would already be gone.[/Q]
The quinton said for the duration. Xykon most certainly did NOT specify that, nor did he say it was a revision. He said his version was THE deal, take it or leave it. And the order of a(n) (un)lifetime of odd words is functionally negligble from that of the length of the task, on a cosmic scale.
As for why would it matter, Redcloak only specified the quinton keep a mental record of the dungeon(s) rooms, not that it actually SHARE it with them.
I'm married to an attorney, I can nitpick all day. 😄Last edited by drazen; 2022-08-29 at 11:12 AM.
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