A Small Heist [5e] OOC

[J-H]

Player	Character	Race	Class
Pyrophilios	Barit the Pretender	Half Elf	Warlock (Djinni Blade)
Xav	Raevis	Human	Druid (Moon)
Frendle	Breddo Toothwise	Orc	Fighter (EK)
BobtheWizard	Clip - Calliope Pascia	High Elf	Artificer (Armorer)

[J-H]

This module assumes that the party has already worked together before as a group, and is in a major city after a successful and somewhat news-worthy adventure. Let's say Waterdeep for now, just because it isn't in the process of falling into the Abyss or freezing in winter or whatever else is going on along the Sword Coast.

[Pyrophilios]

Yey,
Looking forward to it - hopefully there aren't too many true- and blindsight creatures in this module 😄

[Pyrophilios]

History check to know anything about Olivier Sandalwood

(1d20)[12]

[J-H]

Your character doesn't recognize the name.

I've PM'd Frendle. Lord of Gifts hasn't been on the forums in over a week, so I'm assuming that Sauron has dropped, and have invited Bob the Wizard.

[Frendle]

So sorry, I missed the start but I am here.

[Bobthewizard]

Hi everyone. I'm Bob and I'll be playing Clip, a elven wand slinger and burglar. Excited to be a part of this story.

[Frendle]

I like the Character summery you guys have on your posts, but I can't get my image to size down, how'd you do that?

[Pyrophilios]

You can quote my post - there you should find all the formating code - just be careful to only exchange the urls
Especially the image should have a "120" as wide in it.

[Bobthewizard]

Arcana (1d20+9)[17]

[J-H]

The portable hole will be folded and not shrunken.

"If we are only 1/2" tall, how do you propose we get the book off the shelf and into a miniature portable hole? We couldn't even lift a book at that size."

Great question! I assumed you could position the hole under it and then move the book so it falls into the hole, but I'm not sure how you'd move the book. Any thoughts on how to do this without introducing any other suspiciously specific magic items or spells?

[Frendle]

At 1/2 inch, what size category will we be?

A tiny creature with 20 str can lift 250 pounds. Sprite at 1 foot are tiny according to MM.

[J-H]

1/2" is below tiny. I don't think 5e has size categories for it.

[Frendle]

1/2" is below tiny. I don't think 5e has size categories for it.

Well, Tiny seems to be 1/6th of a Medium creature at 6'.

So 1/6th of 12" is 2"

and 1.2" is 1/4 of 2"

So halving each time (Which is the pull/push/lift rule Medium to tiny) means at 1/2" a 20 str might be able to lift 62.5 pounds.

Dunno if that makes sense in this case.

EDIT: How much will we weigh at 1/2"? A proportional amount, or our regular amount? (Like ant man :) )

[Bobthewizard]

I would guess that it rescales the whole game. 1/2" will be medium. 2-3" would be large, a mouse might be huge, and a cat gargantuan.

[J-H]

I would guess that it rescales the whole game. 1/2" will be medium. 2-3" would be large, a mouse might be huge, and a cat gargantuan.

Yes, that's exactly what I've done with the minor vermin :)

A 12" x 2" tome of boring lineages is going to be, relatively, 96' H x 20' W, with a relative weight measured in tons.

[Frendle]

Yes, that's exactly what I've done with the minor vermin :)

A 12" x 2" tome of boring lineages is going to be, relatively, 96' H x 20' W, with a relative weight measured in tons.

Well, so much for me pushing it :)

Maybe we can pull the hole over it like a bag. Oh, probably the hole resizes too. :(

[Frendle]

Can Reavis wildshape into an owl?

[Bobthewizard]

Maybe the neighbor's owls could help us. JH said the portable hole can stay full size and fold down to where we can carry it. So we spread out the now 600' diameter hole, then the owl pushes the book into the hole. Then we spend a long time refolding the hole.

[Bobthewizard]

Raevis can change his spells on a long rest. Clip was referring to casting speak with animals and then animal friendship on the neighbor's owls so they would help us, not having Raevis turn into an owl. I would guess the wards are blocked for those particular owls, not every owl.

[Xav]

I can, but I also have an owl familiar. So, we all can potentially get there on my owl. Or we can be disintegrated, if only Special owls are allowed through.

[J-H]

Only the specific owls are allowed through. Eldaroth was pretty thorough, although also kind of a jerk to all the animals without special privileges.

You do have a long rest to swap spells, buy mundane gear, etc. before the heist begins.

[Frendle]

Can we end the diminished size ourselves? Without going to 0 hp's I mean. :)

[Pyrophilios]

Barit has his Bottled Respite feature: He can just hold the book and go into his ring. Since the space is extra dimensional, the book should come with him and remain there once he exits again. The Ogre Strength Gauntlets aren't affected by size changes, keeping strength always at 19, so it shouldn't be a problem in general to lift the book.

[J-H]

Can we end the diminished size ourselves? Without going to 0 hp's I mean. :)

With a Dispel or something similar, sure, but you won't be able to go back to small.

Barit has his Bottled Respite feature: He can just hold the book and go into his ring. Since the space is extra dimensional, the book should come with him and remain there once he exits again. The Ogre Strength Gauntlets aren't affected by size changes, keeping strength always at 19, so it shouldn't be a problem in general to lift the book.

That should work. I do want to make sure that there's a solution available to parties that don't have a specific subclass, though. Any other ideas?

[Pyrophilios]

The easiest way would be to have the book be a magic item itself.
Armor resizes for the wearer. A scroll of enlarge/reduce would likely be the next best solution.

[Bobthewizard]

If enlarge/reduce would work, I could take it as a spell during our long rest.

@J-H do we think it would be enough for the book?

[Bobthewizard]

Barit has his Bottled Respite feature: He can just hold the book and go into his ring.

With a Dispel or something similar, sure, but you won't be able to go back to small.

If the book won't fit in your ring while it is small, we could dispel your reduction, you grab the book, go in your ring, then we put the giant-to-us ring in the portable hole. The ring would likely fit in a portable hole that reduced with us.

We should also be able to use the neighbor's owls, but that is ultimately up to @Xav since they'd need to change some spells.

[J-H]

That cuts the size by half and the weight by 1/8th.
That would reduce it from, say, 3200 lbs to 400 lbs, which a STR 18 character could get behind and push off the shelf.

That sounds reasonable. I'd include a scroll of Reduce so that a party that doesn't have the spell could still handle it.

[Xav]

Reducing the book or enlarging one of the characters with high strength (like Raevis) should work.
Also some kind of telekinesis? Mage hand/invisible servant? Familiar, that is summoned near the book. Other sentient summons.